McGinn

He makes a lot of good points about the coaching deficiencies....

uh oh,Bob McGinn wrote an article,time to start bowing down to his greatestness,ah Joe?

I know I sound like a broken record, but I just don't think Sanders is up to the task. To me, Donatell was a better DC - he just had a lot less talent to work with. We're a better team than Seattle, but the thought of Sanders going up against Holmgren in the postseason scares the heck out of me. We might need to score 35 points to win that game.

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Originally posted by YATittle:
McGinn

He makes a lot of good points about the coaching deficiencies....

He made a lot of good points (as usual) not only about Sanders, but a whole lot of other deficiencies. After he got done with Sanders he types about how Favre couldn't have played worse and then about how the Packer players as a whole seemed to effected by the weather. It pretty much says it all.

Maybe he should have sugar-coated it as to not stir up trouble among the players, after all, isn't that what good journalists do?

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Originally posted by heyward:
I know I sound like a broken record, but I just don't think Sanders is up to the task. To me, Donatell was a better DC - he just had a lot less talent to work with. We're a better team than Seattle, but the thought of Sanders going up against Holmgren in the postseason scares the heck out of me. We might need to score 35 points to win that game.

I perfered Donatell too, because even when the Packers would start giving up a ton of yardage with one of his defenses there was always a pretty good chance they would come up with a turnover and completely swing the momentum of the game.

But Sanders isn't terrible IMO. Say a few years back if the Packers had ditched Donatell to hire Sanders I wouldn't have been pleased but I still could have lived with it. But when they fired Donatell and replace him with Slowik, that was the dumbest coaching move this franchise has made in that last 20 years. Even the Ray Rhodes hire made far more sense than that one. Rhodes had at least had some good years in Philadelphia when he came to Green Bay, Slowik had nothing short of a horrible resume as a coordinator when he got the defensive coordinator job. I swear I will piss and moan about that move until the day I die.

On a scale of 1-10 I would probably give Sanders about a 6 or a 7. When you look at yardage allowed, points against, takeaways the Packers probably end up with about the 10th ranked defense in the league. They have a fine front line when healthy, but their safeties aren't great, they don't have quality depth at CB yet (some of the young guys might develop but they aren't there yet), and Poppinga still gets ripped in coverage at times. So is a 10th overall defensive ranking pretty "fair" when looking at the overall talent on the defense? I'd say Sanders has done OK but that's the extent of it.

I think there's no doubt Sanders is a putz. With the talent we have on D there's no reason we shouldn't shut teams out or keep them under 10 more often. McGinn is absolutely right, and I was shouting it at the screen all afternoon, THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE UR DBs PLAYING OFF THE BALL. Jam the box. Put in Rouse. Bigby takes HORRIBLE angles. Smothers WRs at the line. PLUG THE RUN!

Favre is a headcase, too. I doubt his ability to overcome adversity. Wind or no wind - too bad A-Rod wasn't available. And I mean Alex Rodriguez.

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Originally posted by Bad Moon Rison:
I think there's no doubt Sanders is a putz. With the talent we have on D there's no reason we shouldn't shut teams out or keep them under 10 more often. McGinn is absolutely right, and I was shouting it at the screen all afternoon, THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE UR DBs PLAYING OFF THE BALL. Jam the box. Put in Rouse. Bigby takes HORRIBLE angles. Smothers WRs at the line. PLUG THE RUN!

Favre is a headcase, too. I doubt his ability to overcome adversity. Wind or no wind - too bad A-Rod wasn't available. And I mean Alex Rodriguez.

yer busted, drunk while posting

This team is 12-3. Sanders is the typical coaching whipping boy around here, but if you are going to complain about Sanders why aren't you complaining about the guy that keeps him hired (McCarthy).


Regardless, I think they are all doing well. 12-3... leave it alone, it's one game.

To isolate Sanders, and place more blame on him vs. anyone else seems silly IMO. The Packers played terribly in all phases. Everything. Offense, Defense, Special Teams, players, coaches, you name it.

MM will do what he needs to. Analyze what happened, why it happened, review it with the team, then move on. I expect a 180 turn around performance against the Lions next week.

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Originally posted by heyward:
I know I sound like a broken record, but I just don't think Sanders is up to the task. To me, Donatell was a better DC - he just had a lot less talent to work with. We're a better team than Seattle, but the thought of Sanders going up against Holmgren in the postseason scares the heck out of me. We might need to score 35 points to win that game.

Even though Sanders scares me sometimes, I'll take him over Donatell any day. When he was in charge, we had some of the wimpiest play calling ever, and our players seemed scared of the ball. No thank you.

Just promote Moss after the year is over and fire Schott. We'll be good.

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Originally posted by packerboi:
To isolate Sanders, and place more blame on him vs. anyone else seems silly IMO. The Packers played terribly in all phases. Everything. Offense, Defense, Special Teams, players, coaches, you name it.

MM will do what he needs to. Analyze what happened, why it happened, review it with the team, then move on. I expect a 180 turn around performance against the Lions next week.

Agreed,to single Sanders on this,is well,typical finger pointing by Bob McHack. If I were MM,first things first,I would make the team practice outside this week at least two days worth.

Seeing the our WR's huddled around the heater yesterday had to be one of the most embarrasssing things I've ever seen as a Packer fan.

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Originally posted by BackThePack:
Seeing the our WR's huddled around the heater yesterday had to be one of the most embarrasssing things I've ever seen as a Packer fan.

I couldn't agree more. I can take a clunker like yesterday (even if it is against the Bares) as long as they play with heart and determination. That team out there yesterday looked whipped coming off the bus. I don't ever want to see Packers ever huddled around heaters again--MM should just turn the damn things off.

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Originally posted by Chronic Hobbit:


I couldn't agree more. I can take a clunker like yesterday (even if it is against the Bares) as long as they play with heart and determination. That team out there yesterday looked whipped coming off the bus. I don't ever want to see Packers ever huddled around heaters again--MM should just turn the damn things off.

Yeap! I certainly agree. Those weather conditions were rare and all,but you can NEVER let another team see you're weak like that.

Perhaps McCarthy could have the entire team watch the ice bowl video this week.

I certainly understand those cross winds get nuts sometimes coming off of Lake Michigan being that I grew up fishing it,but cheese and rice,huddled around the heaters like that?

Quick someone throw up that picture of Gilbert Brown staring at Jamal Renyolds be the heater!

Who has that picture?

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Originally posted by BackThePack:

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Originally posted by Chronic Hobbit:


I couldn't agree more. I can take a clunker like yesterday (even if it is against the Bares) as long as they play with heart and determination. That team out there yesterday looked whipped coming off the bus. I don't ever want to see Packers ever huddled around heaters again--MM should just turn the damn things off.

Yeap! I certainly agree. Those weather conditions were rare and all,but you can NEVER let another team see you're weak like that.

Perhaps McCarthy could have the entire team watch the ice bowl video this week.

I certainly understand those cross winds get nuts sometimes coming off of Lake Michigan being that I grew up fishing it,but cheese and rice,huddled around the heaters like that?

Quick someone throw up that picture of Gilbert Brown staring at Jamal Renyolds be the heater!

Who has that picture?

Yesterday's performance flat out embarrassed the entire organization. Yes, the conditions were brutal in Chicago yesterday. But does anyone think things would have been different if the Packers had played at home? These guys need to wake up. This is the Green Bay Packers and playing in harsh weather conditions is part of this team's heritage. Everyone, from McCarthy down to the ball boys, disgraced that heritage yesterday.

McCarthy is fond of talking about how football is a man's game and the toughness needed to play it. There was none of that to be found on the Packers' side of the field on Sunday.

And I totally agree with references to the Ice Bowl. This team wouldn't last 10 minutes in conditions like that. And Lombardi did not allow heaters on the sidelines.

Sadly, this team showed yesterday that it is nowhere near a championship-caliber team. Champions don't whine about the weather conditions and come prepared to play. The Packers did neither of those things yesterday.

One of the most pathetic performances in franchise history given the rivalry, the fact the Packers were supposedly one of the top teams in the league and the Bears have been absolutely awful. The effort was embarrassing and the coaching was moronic - an 8 year old could have come-up with a better gameplan and made better in-game adjustments. That's the most disconcerting, not that the pack lost a lop-sided game but that it's run by idiots. To add injury to insult, MM, the WATCH IT! Those kinds of remarks are not tolerated! , keeps Favre in at the end to potentially put an end to the season. It's been a wonderful season thus far but with some of the decisions coming from this coaching staff I question the future - hope I'm overreacting but I wasn't with Sherman.

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Originally posted by eastcoastbacker:
One of the most pathetic performances in franchise history given the rivalry, the fact the Packers were supposedly one of the top teams in the league and the Bears have been absolutely awful. The effort was embarrassing and the coaching was moronic - an 8 year old could have come-up with a better gameplan and made better in-game adjustments. That's the most disconcerting, not that the pack lost a lop-sided game but that it's run by idiots. To add injury to insult, MM, WATCH IT! Those kinds of remarks are not tolerated!, keeps Favre in at the end to potentially put an end to the season. It's been a wonderful season thus far but with some of the decisions coming from this coaching staff I question the future - hope I'm overreacting but I wasn't with Sherman.

You had me here until you had to bring up Sherman

The Packer defense game plan looked like they thought they were in a dome. I said it during the game and I will repeat it now. They could have played without a safety in that game...noone was going to throw anything more than 15 yards down field.

And another thing...have we just figured out that Ryan Picket may be the MVP of the defense?

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Originally posted by BackThePack:

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Originally posted by Chronic Hobbit:


I couldn't agree more. I can take a clunker like yesterday (even if it is against the Bares) as long as they play with heart and determination. That team out there yesterday looked whipped coming off the bus. I don't ever want to see Packers ever huddled around heaters again--MM should just turn the damn things off.

Yeap! I certainly agree. Those weather conditions were rare and all,but you can NEVER let another team see you're weak like that.

Perhaps McCarthy could have the entire team watch the ice bowl video this week.

I certainly understand those cross winds get nuts sometimes coming off of Lake Michigan being that I grew up fishing it,but cheese and rice,huddled around the heaters like that?

Quick someone throw up that picture of Gilbert Brown staring at Jamal Renyolds be the heater!

Who has that picture?

Yesterday's performance flat out embarrassed the entire organization. Yes, the conditions were brutal in Chicago yesterday. But does anyone think things would have been different if the Packers had played at home? These guys need to wake up. This is the Green Bay Packers and playing in harsh weather conditions is part of this team's heritage. Everyone, from McCarthy down to the ball boys, disgraced that heritage yesterday.

McCarthy is fond of talking about how football is a man's game and the toughness needed to play it. There was none of that to be found on the Packers' side of the field on Sunday.

And I totally agree with references to the Ice Bowl. This team wouldn't last 10 minutes in conditions like that. And Lombardi did not allow heaters on the sidelines.

Sadly, this team showed yesterday that it is nowhere near a championship-caliber team. Champions don't whine about the weather conditions and come prepared to play. The Packers did neither of those things yesterday.

Lombardi did allow heaters, watch that NFL Films show about the Ice Bowl that sometimes airs on ESPN Classic and ESPN 2 (Probably NFLN too) and you'll see the players huddling around them. One of the players (I think it was Willie Wood) said that some of the players would shove their feet right up onto the edge the heaters so long that it would start melting the rubber on their cleats. They even set up tarps over the benches to shield the players from the wind in that game.

MM got outcoached as well.

But listening to Wayne Larrivee this morning, he stated emphatically that "no way do you let a team, with a 3rd string qb, backup RB and patchwork line, control the ball for 18 plays on their opening drive." ...paraphrasing.

To read this article, I would have to agree that Sanders played "weenie ball". And for as much as this Packer defense has been heralded as one of the best in the NFL, it has not seemed to be as dominating as it should be.

Yeah it seemed like both MM and Sanders didn't have the brains to make pregame adjustments to the plan based on the weather conditions. I, too, question the wisdom of not loading the box on that opening drive, especially given that Bigby's strength has been tackling and run support. Or maybe try Rouse in there early on. Really puzzling.

I've moved on.

See ya.

The players will learn from this. The coaches will also, ya know?