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Originally posted by PackerRick:

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

I've worked in LV casinos for 28 years and for the MGM/Mirage for 19 years. You're full of crap. They have a guard at the elevator and it takes a room key to get an elevator.

Maybe at the Stratosphere or a downtown dump but not the Bellagio.

Roh roh, busted.

Yes... I know that. I used to man the elevator quite often. It is IMPOSSIBLE to ensure that EVERYONE has a room key. Also, as you should know, you can go to the front desk and get a key. Some front desk personnel aren't the sharpest. I've seen it happen. I've been involved with the front desk when people have tried accessing room keys to rooms they have no business being in.

I don't know what you've done for the places you've worked, but if your point is to try and defend Vegas as some safe place where something like this would never happen, you're not fooling me at all. It's an unsafe place to be. Inside the casino, on the floor, is very safe... the rooms and parking lots can be quite dangerous whether you're at Bellagio or Circus Circus.

Basically what I'm saying is you either worked in a bunch of dumps or are just full of crap, and most likely, both. I'm not defending Vegas at all but what you're trying to pass off couldn't happen at the Bellagio.

If I call the front desk and ask to connect to room # 1234, if I can't give the name of the occupant of that room I can't even get through with a phone call. Now you're going to tell me 3 slugs are going to know what room Walker is in, get past a guard at the elevator, have a room key to open the elevator doors, go up to his room, get him to open the door, drag his ass out through the casino, take him a mile away, punch him out, and rob him. I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

I've worked in LV casinos for 28 years and for the MGM/Mirage for 19 years. You're full of crap. They have a guard at the elevator and it takes a room key to get an elevator.

Maybe at the Stratosphere or a downtown dump but not the Bellagio.

Roh roh, busted.

Yes... I know that. I used to man the elevator quite often. It is IMPOSSIBLE to ensure that EVERYONE has a room key. Also, as you should know, you can go to the front desk and get a key. Some front desk personnel aren't the sharpest. I've seen it happen. I've been involved with the front desk when people have tried accessing room keys to rooms they have no business being in.

I don't know what you've done for the places you've worked, but if your point is to try and defend Vegas as some safe place where something like this would never happen, you're not fooling me at all. It's an unsafe place to be. Inside the casino, on the floor, is very safe... the rooms and parking lots can be quite dangerous whether you're at Bellagio or Circus Circus.

Basically what I'm saying is you either worked in a bunch of dumps or are just full of crap, and most likely, both. I'm not defending Vegas at all but what you're trying to pass off couldn't happen at the Bellagio.

If I call the front desk and ask to connect to room # 1234, if I can't give the name of the occupant of that room I can't even get through with a phone call. Now you're going to tell me 3 slugs are going to know what room Walker is in, get past a guard at the elevator, have a room key to open the elevator doors, go up to his room, get him to open the door, drag his ass out through the casino, take him a mile away, punch him out, and rob him. I don't think so.

To the surprise of no one (save for the 10 percent of folks who responded to our current poll in the affirmative), Raiders receiver Javon Walker’s version of the events culminating in the taking of an involuntary nap on a Las Vegas street has been contradicted by surveillance video.

According to Norm Clarke of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, police have video of Walker getting into a car under his own power, and that he is not being coerced.

Walker was found at 7:30 a.m. local time, unconscious in a pool of blood. He had left the Body English night club at 3:00 a.m. after a night of spraying champagne (and, presumably, drinking hose water).

One of the places I worked at...the longer of the two... was THE PALMS.

I love how so many believe security cameras mean this couldn't happen. Do you have any idea how much crime security cameras SEE, but they do not PREVENT anything. Some pretty incredible cars got stolen and the cameras caught everyone of them, but that did nothing to prevent the vehicle from being stolen. People also wrongly assume there's tons of people monitoring these 200 cameras. I would be shocked if there was more than a handful monitoring them. Surveillance folks are focused on TABLE GAMES...that is what they're trained for and that is what they watch. They're not concerned with your safety on a floor of the hotel. If you feel warm and fuzzy because there's a camera wave at it and run naked in front of it...see if anyone notices. I will bet you they won't...UNLESS someone calls security and then they'll check it out.

I will look forward to the tapes being released.

I have NEVER said this IS what happened, but for you or anyone to say this is not possible is sheer stupidity. Laugh and mock all you want. I worked this job and saw murders, shootings, rapes, fights, all of it.

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Why do people seem so taken with this stupid account of dubious attribution?

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Originally posted by PackerHawk:

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Originally posted by lukey:
Why do people seem so taken with this stupid account of dubious attribution?

There's no shortage of stupid people out there. Just like there was no shortage of people wailing about the Javon Walker trade years after it happened even though it was apparent the Packers got plenty of value from the deal.

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Originally posted by lukey:
Why do people seem so taken with this stupid account of dubious attribution?

There's no shortage of stupid people out there. Just like there was no shortage of people wailing about the Javon Walker trade years after it happened even though it was apparent the Packers got plenty of value from the deal.

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Originally posted by lukey:
Why do people seem so taken with this stupid account of dubious attribution?

There's no shortage of stupid people out there. Just like there was no shortage of people wailing about the Javon Walker trade years after it happened even though it was apparent the Packers got plenty of value from the deal.

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6th floor is as far up as I've ever lived.

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Originally posted by lukey:
6th floor is as far up as I've ever lived.

How completely unsuprising that you (still) don't know the lyrics.

Bravo.

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

I've worked in LV casinos for 28 years and for the MGM/Mirage for 19 years. You're full of crap. They have a guard at the elevator and it takes a room key to get an elevator.

Maybe at the Stratosphere or a downtown dump but not the Bellagio.

Roh roh, busted.

Yes... I know that. I used to man the elevator quite often. It is IMPOSSIBLE to ensure that EVERYONE has a room key. Also, as you should know, you can go to the front desk and get a key. Some front desk personnel aren't the sharpest. I've seen it happen. I've been involved with the front desk when people have tried accessing room keys to rooms they have no business being in.

I don't know what you've done for the places you've worked, but if your point is to try and defend Vegas as some safe place where something like this would never happen, you're not fooling me at all. It's an unsafe place to be. Inside the casino, on the floor, is very safe... the rooms and parking lots can be quite dangerous whether you're at Bellagio or Circus Circus.

Basically what I'm saying is you either worked in a bunch of dumps or are just full of crap, and most likely, both. I'm not defending Vegas at all but what you're trying to pass off couldn't happen at the Bellagio.

If I call the front desk and ask to connect to room # 1234, if I can't give the name of the occupant of that room I can't even get through with a phone call. Now you're going to tell me 3 slugs are going to know what room Walker is in, get past a guard at the elevator, have a room key to open the elevator doors, go up to his room, get him to open the door, drag his ass out through the casino, take him a mile away, punch him out, and rob him. I don't think so.

To the surprise of no one (save for the 10 percent of folks who responded to our current poll in the affirmative), Raiders receiver Javon Walker’s version of the events culminating in the taking of an involuntary nap on a Las Vegas street has been contradicted by surveillance video.

According to Norm Clarke of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, police have video of Walker getting into a car under his own power, and that he is not being coerced.

Walker was found at 7:30 a.m. local time, unconscious in a pool of blood. He had left the Body English night club at 3:00 a.m. after a night of spraying champagne (and, presumably, drinking hose water).

One of the places I worked at...the longer of the two... was THE PALMS.

I love how so many believe security cameras mean this couldn't happen. Do you have any idea how much crime security cameras SEE, but they do not PREVENT anything. Some pretty incredible cars got stolen and the cameras caught everyone of them, but that did nothing to prevent the vehicle from being stolen. People also wrongly assume there's tons of people monitoring these 200 cameras. I would be shocked if there was more than a handful monitoring them. Surveillance folks are focused on TABLE GAMES...that is what they're trained for and that is what they watch. They're not concerned with your safety on a floor of the hotel. If you feel warm and fuzzy because there's a camera wave at it and run naked in front of it...see if anyone notices. I will bet you they won't...UNLESS someone calls security and then they'll check it out.

I will look forward to the tapes being released.

I have NEVER said this IS what happened, but for you or anyone to say this is not possible is sheer stupidity. Laugh and mock all you want. I worked this job and saw murders, shootings, rapes, fights, all of it.

You're a fool and your theory has been blown up. Ironically, you the experience security guy, were the only one that couldn't see through it.

Of course cameras don't stop crimes but neither do police when they're not around but you can bet their mere presence does deter plenty of crime. And they also help solve crimes like this BS story that you fell for. They can catch these guys if they want but after Walker fed them 9 miles of BS don't bet on it.

You're right about not having 2000 people watching 2000 cameras but things are a little more high tech than you appear to be aware of. As an example, every car that pulls into the parking garage where I work has a picture of it's plate taken as it enters and then ran if so desired.

I've seen a tons of people come through this town and you strike me as some clown that couldn't make it and now you're trying to pass yourself off as an expert. You were a $10 an hour security guard for crying out loud, one notch below a cab driver in this town. Anybody with a clean record can be a guard because the turnover is so fast.

You're only fooling yourself.

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Originally posted by Since69:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

I've worked in LV casinos for 28 years and for the MGM/Mirage for 19 years. You're full of crap. They have a guard at the elevator and it takes a room key to get an elevator.

Maybe at the Stratosphere or a downtown dump but not the Bellagio.

Roh roh, busted.

Yes... I know that. I used to man the elevator quite often. It is IMPOSSIBLE to ensure that EVERYONE has a room key. Also, as you should know, you can go to the front desk and get a key. Some front desk personnel aren't the sharpest. I've seen it happen. I've been involved with the front desk when people have tried accessing room keys to rooms they have no business being in.

I don't know what you've done for the places you've worked, but if your point is to try and defend Vegas as some safe place where something like this would never happen, you're not fooling me at all. It's an unsafe place to be. Inside the casino, on the floor, is very safe... the rooms and parking lots can be quite dangerous whether you're at Bellagio or Circus Circus.

Basically what I'm saying is you either worked in a bunch of dumps or are just full of crap, and most likely, both. I'm not defending Vegas at all but what you're trying to pass off couldn't happen at the Bellagio.

If I call the front desk and ask to connect to room # 1234, if I can't give the name of the occupant of that room I can't even get through with a phone call. Now you're going to tell me 3 slugs are going to know what room Walker is in, get past a guard at the elevator, have a room key to open the elevator doors, go up to his room, get him to open the door, drag his ass out through the casino, take him a mile away, punch him out, and rob him. I don't think so.

To the surprise of no one (save for the 10 percent of folks who responded to our current poll in the affirmative), Raiders receiver Javon Walker’s version of the events culminating in the taking of an involuntary nap on a Las Vegas street has been contradicted by surveillance video.

According to Norm Clarke of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, police have video of Walker getting into a car under his own power, and that he is not being coerced.

Walker was found at 7:30 a.m. local time, unconscious in a pool of blood. He had left the Body English night club at 3:00 a.m. after a night of spraying champagne (and, presumably, drinking hose water).

One of the places I worked at...the longer of the two... was THE PALMS.

I love how so many believe security cameras mean this couldn't happen. Do you have any idea how much crime security cameras SEE, but they do not PREVENT anything. Some pretty incredible cars got stolen and the cameras caught everyone of them, but that did nothing to prevent the vehicle from being stolen. People also wrongly assume there's tons of people monitoring these 200 cameras. I would be shocked if there was more than a handful monitoring them. Surveillance folks are focused on TABLE GAMES...that is what they're trained for and that is what they watch. They're not concerned with your safety on a floor of the hotel. If you feel warm and fuzzy because there's a camera wave at it and run naked in front of it...see if anyone notices. I will bet you they won't...UNLESS someone calls security and then they'll check it out.

I will look forward to the tapes being released.

I have NEVER said this IS what happened, but for you or anyone to say this is not possible is sheer stupidity. Laugh and mock all you want. I worked this job and saw murders, shootings, rapes, fights, all of it.

You're a fool and your theory has been blown up. Ironically, you the experience security guy, were the only one that couldn't see through it.

Of course cameras don't stop crimes but neither do police when they're not around but you can bet their mere presence does deter plenty of crime. And they also help solve crimes like this BS story that you fell for. They can catch these guys if they want but after Walker fed them 9 miles of BS don't bet on it.

You're right about not having 2000 people watching 2000 cameras but things are a little more high tech than you appear to be aware of. As an example, every car that pulls into the parking garage where I work has a picture of it's plate taken as it enters and then ran if so desired.

I've seen a tons of people come through this town and you strike me as some clown that couldn't make it and now you're trying to pass yourself off as an expert. You were a $10 an hour security guard for crying out loud, one notch below a cab driver in this town. Anybody with a clean record can be a guard because the turnover is so fast.

You're only fooling yourself.

I have nothing to add. I just like quoting really, really long posts.

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Originally posted by Since69:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by PackerRick:

I've worked in LV casinos for 28 years and for the MGM/Mirage for 19 years. You're full of crap. They have a guard at the elevator and it takes a room key to get an elevator.

Maybe at the Stratosphere or a downtown dump but not the Bellagio.

Roh roh, busted.

Yes... I know that. I used to man the elevator quite often. It is IMPOSSIBLE to ensure that EVERYONE has a room key. Also, as you should know, you can go to the front desk and get a key. Some front desk personnel aren't the sharpest. I've seen it happen. I've been involved with the front desk when people have tried accessing room keys to rooms they have no business being in.

I don't know what you've done for the places you've worked, but if your point is to try and defend Vegas as some safe place where something like this would never happen, you're not fooling me at all. It's an unsafe place to be. Inside the casino, on the floor, is very safe... the rooms and parking lots can be quite dangerous whether you're at Bellagio or Circus Circus.

Basically what I'm saying is you either worked in a bunch of dumps or are just full of crap, and most likely, both. I'm not defending Vegas at all but what you're trying to pass off couldn't happen at the Bellagio.

If I call the front desk and ask to connect to room # 1234, if I can't give the name of the occupant of that room I can't even get through with a phone call. Now you're going to tell me 3 slugs are going to know what room Walker is in, get past a guard at the elevator, have a room key to open the elevator doors, go up to his room, get him to open the door, drag his ass out through the casino, take him a mile away, punch him out, and rob him. I don't think so.

To the surprise of no one (save for the 10 percent of folks who responded to our current poll in the affirmative), Raiders receiver Javon Walker’s version of the events culminating in the taking of an involuntary nap on a Las Vegas street has been contradicted by surveillance video.

According to Norm Clarke of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, police have video of Walker getting into a car under his own power, and that he is not being coerced.

Walker was found at 7:30 a.m. local time, unconscious in a pool of blood. He had left the Body English night club at 3:00 a.m. after a night of spraying champagne (and, presumably, drinking hose water).

One of the places I worked at...the longer of the two... was THE PALMS.

I love how so many believe security cameras mean this couldn't happen. Do you have any idea how much crime security cameras SEE, but they do not PREVENT anything. Some pretty incredible cars got stolen and the cameras caught everyone of them, but that did nothing to prevent the vehicle from being stolen. People also wrongly assume there's tons of people monitoring these 200 cameras. I would be shocked if there was more than a handful monitoring them. Surveillance folks are focused on TABLE GAMES...that is what they're trained for and that is what they watch. They're not concerned with your safety on a floor of the hotel. If you feel warm and fuzzy because there's a camera wave at it and run naked in front of it...see if anyone notices. I will bet you they won't...UNLESS someone calls security and then they'll check it out.

I will look forward to the tapes being released.

I have NEVER said this IS what happened, but for you or anyone to say this is not possible is sheer stupidity. Laugh and mock all you want. I worked this job and saw murders, shootings, rapes, fights, all of it.

You're a fool and your theory has been blown up. Ironically, you the experience security guy, were the only one that couldn't see through it.

Of course cameras don't stop crimes but neither do police when they're not around but you can bet their mere presence does deter plenty of crime. And they also help solve crimes like this BS story that you fell for. They can catch these guys if they want but after Walker fed them 9 miles of BS don't bet on it.

You're right about not having 2000 people watching 2000 cameras but things are a little more high tech than you appear to be aware of. As an example, every car that pulls into the parking garage where I work has a picture of it's plate taken as it enters and then ran if so desired.

I've seen a tons of people come through this town and you strike me as some clown that couldn't make it and now you're trying to pass yourself off as an expert. You were a $10 an hour security guard for crying out loud, one notch below a cab driver in this town. Anybody with a clean record can be a guard because the turnover is so fast.

You're only fooling yourself.

I have nothing to add. I just like quoting really, really long posts.