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Mike Vandermause column: Woodson finds out he fits in

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Charles Woodson's positive attitude this offseason is bound to rub off on teammates.
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I'm glad he likes it in GB.

White, Woodson, who is next? Before we can find out TT will have to part with some big bucks. He did with Woodson, so maybe there is hope.
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I'm glad he likes it in GB.

White, Woodson, who is next? Before we can find out TT will have to part with some big bucks. He did with Woodson, so maybe there is hope.


Hope for what??
He didn't part w/ big bucks for Woodson. Woodson received a decent contract. Same as Pickett. Why sign someone to big bucks when that hasn't been a proven formula to win???
Spending for the sake of spending is just plain stupid.
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Why sign someone to big bucks when that hasn't been a proven formula to win???


Yeah, it was pretty stupid for the Packers to sign Reggie White back in 1993... That formula never produced a SB Championship or even a SB appearance... I heard that they paid some pretty big bucks (for the time) to get him in 1993. What a bust of a deal that was for the Packers.... sarcasm
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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:
Why sign someone to big bucks when that hasn't been a proven formula to win???


Yeah, it was pretty stupid for the Packers to sign Reggie White back in 1993... That formula never produced a SB Championship or even a SB appearance... I heard that they paid some pretty big bucks (for the time) to get him in 1993. What a bust of a deal that was for the Packers.... sarcasm


Funny coming from a Viking troll.
Whatsa matter?? Not enough activity in the White Trash....I mean NASCAR forum??
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Funny coming from a Viking troll.
Whatsa matter?? Not enough activity in the White Trash....I mean NASCAR forum??


You claim something won't/can't work, but it worked rather well for the team you cheer for.

Funny how when reminded of the truth, you can't just accept it and move on. Instead, you resort to name calling and attempt to change the subject... cry
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I think a better way of putting is that it's unnecessary to sign a guy to a huge contract just for the sake of signing a big name. It has to be the right guy. If you're going to shell out big money like White got, it better be for a Reggie White caliber player. Guys like Nate Clements and Asante Samuel are big names (which is why they got snatched up quick) but that doesn't mean they are Reggie White caliber players.
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Funny coming from a Viking troll.
Whatsa matter?? Not enough activity in the White Trash....I mean NASCAR forum??


You claim something won't/can't work, but it worked rather well for the team you cheer for.

Funny how when reminded of the truth, you can't just accept it and move on. Instead, you resort to name calling and attempt to change the subject... cry


I responded appropriately to the idiocy which is a Champ post.

Spending for the sake of spending is the formula for chronic losers like the Vikings.

Intelligent spending is the formula of winning franchises. Whether it is signing the greatest defensive player of all time, or fiscally responsible contracts like those of Pickett or Woodson.

Now go buy Jared Allen a beer you putz!
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I responded appropriately to the idiocy which is a Champ post.

Spending for the sake of spending is the formula for chronic losers like the Vikings.

Intelligent spending is the formula of winning franchises. Whether it is signing the greatest defensive player of all time, or fiscally responsible contracts like those of Pickett or Woodson.

Now go buy Jared Allen a beer you putz!


Once again, you refuse to respond to the point made - which it the standard method of operation for you.

What you posted, and what I responded to was:

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Why sign someone to big bucks when that hasn't been a proven formula to win???


You didn't qualify it at the time.

You clearly stated that signing someone for big bucks was not a proven formula for winning. Now when proven wrong, you find the need to change your tune and to attempt to demean the poster that proved you wrong.

Fact is, Reggie White is the classic example of paying big bucks for a player and have it leading to winning the SB.

Reggie White never produced for the Packers what he did for the Eagles. Reggie averaged over 15 sacks per season as an Eagle, only 11 as a Packer. The Packers signed Reggie when he was on the downside of his career - but he was absolutely one of the major factors of the Packers 2 SB runs in the 90's.

Reggie White was a big buck signing that produced exactly what the Packers wanted - one of the top defenses (at the time) in the NFL and an NFL Championship. The first "big buck" FA signing in NFL history is a well documented (using your own words) "formula to win".

Now continue to deny what is obvious. We wouldn't expect anything less from you.
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I'd be a lot more selective with your choice of wording.

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Now continue to deny what is obvious. We wouldn't expect anything less from you.


What part of Why sign someone to big bucks when that hasn't been a proven formula to win??? is untrue?

Not to tear you away from your contrived little tangent, but I'm curious about what you felt was so wrong with that statement you felt the need to derail things. Thanks.
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Originally posted by The Champ:
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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:
I responded appropriately to the idiocy which is a Champ post.

Spending for the sake of spending is the formula for chronic losers like the Vikings.

Intelligent spending is the formula of winning franchises. Whether it is signing the greatest defensive player of all time, or fiscally responsible contracts like those of Pickett or Woodson.

Now go buy Jared Allen a beer you putz!


Once again, you refuse to respond to the point made - which it the standard method of operation for you.

What you posted, and what I responded to was:

quote:
Why sign someone to big bucks when that hasn't been a proven formula to win???


You didn't qualify it at the time.

You clearly stated that signing someone for big bucks was not a proven formula for winning. Now when proven wrong, you find the need to change your tune and to attempt to demean the poster that proved you wrong.

Fact is, Reggie White is the classic example of paying big bucks for a player and have it leading to winning the SB.

Reggie White never produced for the Packers what he did for the Eagles. Reggie averaged over 15 sacks per season as an Eagle, only 11 as a Packer. The Packers signed Reggie when he was on the downside of his career - but he was absolutely one of the major factors of the Packers 2 SB runs in the 90's.

Reggie White was a big buck signing that produced exactly what the Packers wanted - one of the top defenses (at the time) in the NFL and an NFL Championship. The first "big buck" FA signing in NFL history is a well documented (using your own words) "formula to win".

Now continue to deny what is obvious. We wouldn't expect anything less from you.



Spending for the sake of spending. That was the point. I more than responded to it. I can't help it that you're too dense to comprehend what I post.
Or maybe you're just playing classic Champ Twister. Spin it Clavin. Pisses you off that we make good free agent signings that lead somewhere doesn't it??? All part of the Packers induced jealousy that leads you to troll multiple Packer boards.

Or maybe you think signing the greatest defensive player of all time is spending for the sake of spending.

It occurs every season for the Vikings......maybe that's why the Queens trophy cabinet is empty.

Do yourself a favor and disappear again before Boris starts letting 5 year olds in here to hand you your azz!
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Why sign someone to big bucks when that hasn't been a proven formula to win???


Why don't YOU produce an example of where this has worked. Show me where signing a bunch of big names to big fat contracts has actually produced a SB winner?

I'm not talking about bringing in 1 good FA like Reggie White, I'm talking about bringing in 3 or 4 overpriced FAs which seems to be the new trend in the NFL.
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I love the Reggie White 'point.' It's a combination of a red herring and a straw man. It feels silly to even have to point this out, but for the eleventy-billionth time, there are no more Reggie Whites on the UFA market, and never will be again. Players at that level today (meaning first-ballot HOF'ers) would be Brady, Manning, Tomlinson, et al. No DL playing today even compares to White, FA or not.

What's basically happening is that teams are giving Reggie White-level $ in today's terms to guys who are basically at the level of Doug Evans or Ron Cox. I love when teams do that, because I know they'll continue to suck.
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I love the Reggie White 'point.' It's a combination of a red herring and a straw man. It feels silly to even have to point this out, but for the eleventy-billionth time, there are no more Reggie Whites on the UFA market, and never will be again. Players at that level today (meaning first-ballot HOF'ers) would be Brady, Manning, Tomlinson, et al. No DL playing today even compares to White, FA or not.

What's basically happening is that teams are giving Reggie White-level $ in today's terms to guys who are basically at the level of Doug Evans or Ron Cox. I love when teams the Vikings do that, because I know they'll continue to suck.


Me too! Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by JJSD:
I love the Reggie White 'point.' It's a combination of a red herring and a straw man. It feels silly to even have to point this out, but for the eleventy-billionth time, there are no more Reggie Whites on the UFA market, and never will be again. Players at that level today (meaning first-ballot HOF'ers) would be Brady, Manning, Tomlinson, et al. No DL playing today even compares to White, FA or not.

What's basically happening is that teams are giving Reggie White-level $ in today's terms to guys who are basically at the level of Doug Evans or Ron Cox. I love when teams do that, because I know they'll continue to suck.


Very well put JJSD. The only potential HOF players that hit the market these days are way past their prime.
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