I like this site and regularly check them out.

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It may be a cliche to say that a draft shouldn't be judged for at least three years, but it's true - especially in this case. This is definitely a class for the future.

Their First Impressions After OTA's and Minicamps

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I think that's probably pretty accurate. Nelson is the most likely to contribute since he could help out on returns, and since we use a lot of 4- receiver sets. Lee could because we don't have a ton of proven cornerbacks; Brohm could because he has as many NFL starts as the guy ahead of him. The rest are long-term guys who probably won't do anything as rookies -- the seventh-rounders might not even make the roster.

I like checking out PackerUpdate but I am a little wary of their "scouts/sources".

They blew up the Grant trade and have missed on some others. Much better site than Chatters but I wouldn't be surprised if their "inside source" was a water boy who spends a lot of time on the internet.

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Originally posted by Max:
I think that's probably pretty accurate. Nelson is the most likely to contribute since he could help out on returns, and since we use a lot of 4- receiver sets. Lee could because we don't have a ton of proven cornerbacks; Brohm could because he has as many NFL starts as the guy ahead of him. The rest are long-term guys who probably won't do anything as rookies -- the seventh-rounders might not even make the roster.

I think Jeremy Thompson gets cut, probably PS. Just seems like he doesn't have the drive to play the game at a high level. I don't think it's a "turd" factor, I think it's just the way he's wired. Maybe some hardcore coaching in TC will get the most out of him but everything I've read on the guy from draft to OTAs is he's got it all but doesn't deliver. Maybe he tears it up on special teams. Who knows.

I gotta believe that the 7th rounders were targeted more towards ST. Can't see a guy like Swain sticking though.

Personally, I hope Patrick Lee doesn't get thrown into it. If the Packers are lucky, maybe just maybe Blackmon will stay healthy. I know, I laughed too. Damn, the guy has talent though. PLEASE TRAMON, don't pull a Charles Lee on us.

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Originally posted by The Crusher:
I like checking out PackerUpdate but I am a little wary of their "scouts/sources".

They blew up the Grant trade and have missed on some others. Much better site than Chatters but I wouldn't be surprised if their "inside source" was a water boy who spends a lot of time on the internet.

A lot of people were wrong about Grant. I remember reading one of their articles in January or February 2007. The article was about three little-known players who had a chance to make a big impact in the upcoming season. The players the scout mentioned were Johnny Jolly, Atari Bigby and Tory Humphrey. That's good stuff.

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Originally posted by heyward:

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Originally posted by The Crusher:
I like checking out PackerUpdate but I am a little wary of their "scouts/sources".

They blew up the Grant trade and have missed on some others. Much better site than Chatters but I wouldn't be surprised if their "inside source" was a water boy who spends a lot of time on the internet.

A lot of people were wrong about Grant. I remember reading one of their articles in January or February 2007. The article was about three little-known players who had a chance to make a big impact in the upcoming season. The players the scout mentioned were Johnny Jolly, Atari Bigby and Tory Humphrey. That's good stuff.

For a speculation/rumor site, they've been relatively accurate and without the hyperbole.

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Originally posted by Max:
I think that's probably pretty accurate. Nelson is the most likely to contribute since he could help out on returns, and since we use a lot of 4- receiver sets. Lee could because we don't have a ton of proven cornerbacks; Brohm could because he has as many NFL starts as the guy ahead of him. The rest are long-term guys who probably won't do anything as rookies -- the seventh-rounders might not even make the roster.

I think Jeremy Thompson gets cut, probably PS. Just seems like he doesn't have the drive to play the game at a high level. I don't think it's a "turd" factor, I think it's just the way he's wired. Maybe some hardcore coaching in TC will get the most out of him but everything I've read on the guy from draft to OTAs is he's got it all but doesn't deliver. Maybe he tears it up on special teams. Who knows.

That would be a surprise. This is the guy who was the target of TT's first trade-up, so I'd have to think that they felt he had the fire to work at the least. Sure, he could be another Corey Rodgers 4th-round bust, but considering what TT did to get him, I can't think that they didn't kick this kid's tires pretty meticulously at least in terms of his mentality before pulling the trigger. Wouldn't it be ironic that when TT finally trades up, the kid's a bust?

Yeah, I don't think Thompson gets cut, particularly considering he's Ted Thompson's nephew.

Flynn is a guy who maybe makes it onto the practice squad. Swain, I guess it depends on how he does. Bottom line is these last-round picks wash out far more often then they amount to anything.

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Originally posted by JJSD:

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by Max:
I think that's probably pretty accurate. Nelson is the most likely to contribute since he could help out on returns, and since we use a lot of 4- receiver sets. Lee could because we don't have a ton of proven cornerbacks; Brohm could because he has as many NFL starts as the guy ahead of him. The rest are long-term guys who probably won't do anything as rookies -- the seventh-rounders might not even make the roster.

I think Jeremy Thompson gets cut, probably PS. Just seems like he doesn't have the drive to play the game at a high level. I don't think it's a "turd" factor, I think it's just the way he's wired. Maybe some hardcore coaching in TC will get the most out of him but everything I've read on the guy from draft to OTAs is he's got it all but doesn't deliver. Maybe he tears it up on special teams. Who knows.

That would be a surprise. This is the guy who was the target of TT's first trade-up, so I'd have to think that they felt he had the fire to work at the least. Sure, he could be another Corey Rodgers 4th-round bust, but considering what TT did to get him, I can't think that they didn't kick this kid's tires pretty meticulously at least in terms of his mentality before pulling the trigger. Wouldn't it be ironic that when TT finally trades up, the kid's a bust?

Agreed but I don't think TT would eject another DE who can contribute. Some assume Montgomery is on the fence but I think he offers solid depth. If Thompson sticks it'll be because they make room for him. I have no problem with taking a season or two to see what you can get out of a guy with his amount of potential but it just sounds like the guy just can't take it to the next level.

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Wouldn't it be ironic that when TT finally trades up, the kid's a bust?

That'll teach him. Trade down TT. Get more picks.

This draft will be a success if Nelson, Lee and Finley are big contributors in a few seasons. It was unrealistic going in to think the Packers were going to get much immediate help. Other than guard, there weren't many spots where a late first-round pick was going to be able to step in and play right away. I guess you could argue tight end and safety, but Lee, Bigby, Collins and Rouse are pretty good. Who at 30 (or 36) was going to be an upgrade? Dustin Keller? Kenny Phillips? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet on it.

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Their First Impressions After OTA's and Minicamps

Good, unbiased report.

Reports from scouts or ex-scouts who have no attachment to the Packers generally tell it like it is.

The summary on Nelson is probably right. We won't wow a lot of people; he'll just contribute. Wes Welker certainly has no "wow" factor either, but there's a guy that a legit case for MVP could have been made.

Thompson: unfortunately this guy sound like another Donnell Washington or Torrance Marshall. Looks like Tarzan; plays like Jane.

And the guy was brutally honest about their late-round picks. There are reasons why guys get drafted in the 6th or 7th round instead of the 2nd or 3rd. They have serious limitiations.

That's weird reading that about Thompson. Everything other report painted him as some sort of beast.

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That's weird reading that about Thompson. Everything other report painted him as some sort of beast.

I don't know what reports you've been reading but all the draft info on the guy I saw stated he had all the tools physically and mentally, he just never made very many plays for a guy with his talents.

TT moving up to take him may suggest a level of confidence in Carl Hairston as a coach. If you think about it, who would've predicted that a 5th rounder out of Iowa originally slated to bulk up to DT and a UDFA from Central Michigan would be the Packers starting DEs?

Being the fabulous magnanimous Free Range Ahole that I am, I'm willing to give the kid a couple of seasons to develop.

The whole idea of judging these guys before they even really put the pads on is crazy talk. Get back to me after they really start playing football.

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Originally posted by Attack of the Pack:
That's weird reading that about Thompson. Everything other report painted him as some sort of beast.

I don't know what reports you've been reading but all the draft info on the guy I saw stated he had all the tools physically and mentally, he just never made very many plays for a guy with his talents.

TT moving up to take him may suggest a level of confidence in Carl Hairston as a coach. If you think about it, who would've predicted that a 5th rounder out of Iowa originally slated to bulk up to DT and a UDFA from Central Michigan would be the Packers starting DEs?

Being the fabulous magnanimous Free Range Ahole that I am, I'm willing to give the kid a couple of seasons to develop.

I recall reading some things about him not being as productive as one would expect, but I also recall reading something about him playing in a read/react type of scheme in which he was to play the run first .. pass rush second. We'll see what happens when the real action begins ... I wouldn't expect him to set the world on fire as a rookie. He reminded people of Kampman .. he didn't some out like gangbusters right away. It will probably take some time for him to master his craft.

I think Lee, Finley and Jordy can all contribute this season.

Finley will probably see more action than planned due to injuries elsewhere.

Lee will have a chance to make some plays in Dime coverage.

And, saving the best for last, I envision Jordy "picking the ball from the sky" in the back of the endzone in a couple big games. Just a feeling.

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Their First Impressions After OTA's and Minicamps

Good, unbiased report.

Reports from scouts or ex-scouts who have no attachment to the Packers generally tell it like it is.

The summary on Nelson is probably right. We won't wow a lot of people; he'll just contribute. Wes Welker certainly has no "wow" factor either, but there's a guy that a legit case for MVP could have been made.

Thompson: unfortunately this guy sound like another Donnell Washington or Torrance Marshall. Looks like Tarzan; plays like Jane.

And the guy was brutally honest about their late-round picks. There are reasons why guys get drafted in the 6th or 7th round instead of the 2nd or 3rd. They have serious limitiations.

I have always suspected the scout being reference worked for Detroit, or are unemployed ex Dolphin scouts.

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Originally posted by Max:
Yeah, I don't think Thompson gets cut, particularly considering he's Ted Thompson's nephew.

Flynn is a guy who maybe makes it onto the practice squad. Swain, I guess it depends on how he does. Bottom line is these last-round picks wash out far more often then they amount to anything.

He's Orrin Thompson's brother. Way I understand it is that he was playing in a position that did not accentuate his skills in college, for the good of the defense. I think he'll take a year to develop, but then be a good one.

My sources tell me this is COP.

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My sources tell me this is COP.

CoP was orbiting Mars in the corn fueled purple disco rocket he built while OTAs were happening.

I forgot about the ESP though . . .