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Again, I think you're putting unnecessarily high standards on what it takes to be a "contender," particularly in today's NFL in today's NFC.

It's March. Everybody's a contender.

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C at best. Lousy as it stands right now. It basically comes down to Rodgers. IMHO, the 2006 draft far outweighs the '05 already. As smelly as this draft is, it's already looking like TT hit a home run the next year.

http://www.packers.com/draft/2006/

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Dx of Spinal Stenosis requires an MRI or contrast CT scan.

MRI studies are relatively expensive, and obviously a contrast CT is invasive and can have certain adverse effects. Not sure it would be worth the expense and especially the risk to dx such a rare congenital abnormality. Odds are are very good that a footbal player at the cusp of his college graduation, will not have spinal stenosis.

At the same time, it's easy and relatively cost effective to screen for other things the way it's currently done.

As to the draft, I agree that when rating a draft it seems we are evaluating the GM's performance. To give TT an "F" for making a great pick of a player like Murphy is dumb. He made a great pick, the guys had a freak injury due to a congenital condition....Incomplete.

And missing on a 6th or 7th rounder....yeah, so what ??

How come you guys continue to assume that Terrance Murphy was a great pick? The guy never played .. he never showed he could do it in real games. Sure, he had a great camp, but lots of other players have had great camps only to never really amount to much. To say he would have been great just seem kind of ludicrous to me.

Dude played. I remember thinking "WOW!" He got injured early his rookie year, but he did play in some games. Dude was gonna be a star.

"Dude was gonna be a star." Who knew? I'm upping my grade from a D to an A- then.

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In summary, it is Ted Thompson's responsibility for his draft picks not to injure themselves. If they do injure themselves, you should downgrade Ted Thompson in his drafting of the player. No other factors play a role in the grade. It is Ted Thompson and Ted Thompson only. Time to bring back that FIRETEDTHOMPSON website. That worked well.

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The way I'm grading it, I'm grading the GM. TT found a great player and took him. That's all he can do. Murphy had to history of spinal problems. There was no way anyone could know that would happen.
All GMs have guys who are lost due to freak, tragic injuries. If they also had the supernatural power to protect their players once they're drafted, we could grade them on that too. But it's something that cannot be prevented. If Terrence Murphy looked like total 5h!7, I'd downgrade TT over the pick. But the dude was a stud.
Sometimes a GM has to decide whether to take a gamble on a guy with an injury history. Remember Robbie Bosco? Heh. But this wasn't one of those scenarios.

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In summary, it is Ted Thompson's responsibility for his draft picks not to injure themselves. If they do injure themselves, you should downgrade Ted Thompson in his drafting of the player. No other factors play a role in the grade. It is Ted Thompson and Ted Thompson only. Time to bring back that FIRETEDTHOMPSON website. That worked well.

It's not shermys fault Turd couldn't stay healthy.

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In summary, it is Ted Thompson's responsibility for his draft picks not to injure themselves. If they do injure themselves, you should downgrade Ted Thompson in his drafting of the player. No other factors play a role in the grade. It is Ted Thompson and Ted Thompson only. Time to bring back that FIRETEDTHOMPSON website. That worked well.

It's not shermys fault Turd couldn't stay healthy.

If that was the extent of Sherman's massive problems as a GM, you'd have a leg to stand on. Because it isn't, you don't.

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In summary, it is Ted Thompson's responsibility for his draft picks not to injure themselves. If they do injure themselves, you should downgrade Ted Thompson in his drafting of the player. No other factors play a role in the grade. It is Ted Thompson and Ted Thompson only. Time to bring back that FIRETEDTHOMPSON website. That worked well.

It's not shermys fault Turd couldn't stay healthy.

If that was the extent of Sherman's massive problems as a GM, you'd have a leg to stand on. Because it isn't, you don't.

Evaluate the '05 draft without considering Murphy. It's still below average IMO.

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Some people are grading the "draft" and some people are grading the GM on his draft picks.

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Some people are grading the "draft" and some people are grading the GM on his draft picks.

I agree with this. Even the 1995 and 2000 drafts, considered by many Packer fans to be excellent, each have players who were total busts. The 1995 draft included the immortal Jay Barker, Jeff Miller, Darius Holland, and Charlie Simmons. The 2000 draft included Steve Warren, Anthony Lucas, Gary Berry, Joey Jamison, Ron Moore, Charles Lee, and Eugene McCaslin. All of the aforementioned players would be deemed busts. What made those drafts good was the fact that Wolf found enough players who were above-average to excellent starters, including Newsome, Henderson, Brian Williams, Antonio Freeman, and Timmerman from the 1995 draft, and Bubba Franks, Clifton, Diggs, KGB, and Tauscher from the 2000 draft.

The 2005 draft will ultimately be judged based on how Rodgers turns out. If Rodgers ends up being an above-average quarterback or better, then the 2005 draft would be considered pretty good. If Rodgers is a bust, either through performance or injury, or both, then I'd rate the 2005 draft as below average.

Ron Wolf's goal was to get three starters. As of right now, Aaron Rodgers is the only player who is the undisputed starter at his position. Collins has been a starter, but IMO he peaked his rookie year. He hasn't been awful, but you could definitely improve upon that position. Poppinga has showed improvement as a starter, but again he is a player you'd look to improve upon (and perhaps the Packers already have with Chillar). Coston has been given every chance to claim a starting guard position, but has not been able to hold onto it. It is possible that of the players from the 2005 draft, only Rodgers will be a starter come opening day.

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In summary, it is Ted Thompson's responsibility for his draft picks not to injure themselves. If they do injure themselves, you should downgrade Ted Thompson in his drafting of the player. No other factors play a role in the grade. It is Ted Thompson and Ted Thompson only. Time to bring back that FIRETEDTHOMPSON website. That worked well.

It's not shermys fault Turd couldn't stay healthy.

If that was the extent of Sherman's massive problems as a GM, you'd have a leg to stand on. Because it isn't, you don't.

Evaluate the '05 draft without considering Murphy. It's still below average IMO.

Normally, I'd say you could, but when the number 1 pick has been riding the pine behind a hall of famer, it's not time to give it a grade yet.

If you allow that Murphy would have at least been a capable backup, which is hardly a stretch, you then have, in the first six picks, three starters (Rodgers, Collins, Poppinga), one capable backup (Murphy), and one backup/starter (Coston). Additionally, you have Montgomery later on, who's a backup. That may not be exciting, but I don't think it's as terrible as others have been saying it is. I also like that TT moves on quickly when one of the picks doesn't work out.

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Its turned out to be more of a D. Collins is ok but not great, same with Poppinga. Murphy would have been good but had the injury. Coston might be something but might not.

I think Rodgers is either going to be a complete flop like Harrington, or hang on a few years kind of like Carr. So that will make the draft pretty bad overall. I don't fault Thompson on that though because he was put in a can't win position.

Pretty much as I see it as well. Though I was a little more generous I gave it a D+

Hey packerboi can you grade my term papers? I like how you grade.

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nerdman was here overquoting threads in March?

huh.