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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:

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Originally posted by catts:
since when do they apologise for an off-sides penality when a player was not offsides ??????

Are you for real? Then we might as well go for the 3 motion/false starts that weren't called...or Jennings TD reception on the clear facemask or the horrible facemask penalty on the Packers?

Again, did they apologize?

and bad calls or lack thereof that did not favor the Cowboys so you just made my point.

They [DO NOT] apologise for every bad call.

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Originally posted by catts:

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:

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Originally posted by catts:
since when do they apologise for an off-sides penality when a player was not offsides ??????

Are you for real? Then we might as well go for the 3 motion/false starts that weren't called...or Jennings TD reception on the clear facemask or the horrible facemask penalty on the Packers?

Again, did they apologize?

and bad calls or lack thereof that did not favor the Cowboys so you just made my point.

They [DO NOT] apologise for every bad call.

They didn't? Then why would Pereira apologize? Hello, turlebrain, that was 7 points the Cowboys received not too mention, possession to the Packers? I know it's hard for you to comprehend since the world is flat outside of Texas.

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:

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Originally posted by catts:

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:

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Originally posted by catts:
since when do they apologise for an off-sides penality when a player was not offsides ??????

Are you for real? Then we might as well go for the 3 motion/false starts that weren't called...or Jennings TD reception on the clear facemask or the horrible facemask penalty on the Packers?

Again, did they apologize?

and bad calls or lack thereof that did not favor the Cowboys so you just made my point.

They [DO NOT] apologise for every bad call.

They didn't? Then why would Pereira apologize? Hello, turlebrain, that was 7 points the Cowboys received not too mention, possession to the Packers? I know it's hard for you to comprehend since the world is flat outside of Texas.

So you noticed that large flat area too?

Like paper cuts on your eardrum...

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Like paper cuts on your eardrum...

That's almost as funny as "Death by Tweezers" that _________ came up with.

I don't mean to offend the poster who came up w/that funny saying, by forgetting his name, but that cat nip...er I mean Nyquil really has me forgetful.

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Is it just me, or has this kind of crap happened an awful lot with Green Bay games this year?

It's just you. Nobody else here thinks the 10-2 Green Bay Packers have gotten screwed by the refs.

I hope you're kidding.

Go watch the Bears game.

What I find funny is this sense that they refs are somehow trying to screw the Packers or there is an intentional bias. On defense the Packers play a style of football that puts the refs in position to have to make calls against them. These are mainly judgment calls that many times do not go with the Packers because the rules are written to give the offensive player the advantage and tie goes to the runner. Sure there have been some blatant calls that maybe should have gone the Packers way, but in the years before instant replay you would have to live with, but many times now they have a chance of being over turned. Is the system perfect? No. These things even out over time. I just think that obsessing over some bad calls (that happen when things happen so fast and you only have the human eyes and brain to determine what happened as it is happening) especially when the team in question is 10-2 is a little funny. If people think that the fix is on and the result is predetermined why even watch? If it is then the Packers actually seem to be getting the better of it since they are 10-2.

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Originally posted by who:

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Originally posted by CHEEZE:

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Originally posted by who:
Is it just me, or has this kind of crap happened an awful lot with Green Bay games this year?

It's just you. Nobody else here thinks the 10-2 Green Bay Packers have gotten screwed by the refs.

I hope you're kidding.

Go watch the Bears game.

What I find funny is this sense that they refs are somehow trying to screw the Packers or there is an intentional bias. On defense the Packers play a style of football that puts the refs in position to have to make calls against them. These are mainly judgment calls that many times do not go with the Packers because the rules are written to give the offensive player the advantage and tie goes to the runner. Sure there have been some blatant calls that maybe should have gone the Packers way, but in the years before instant replay you would have to live with, but many times now they have a chance of being over turned. Is the system perfect? No. These things even out over time. I just think that obsessing over some bad calls (that happen when things happen so fast and you only have the human eyes and brain to determine what happened as it is happening) especially when the team in question is 10-2 is a little funny. If people think that the fix is on and the result is predetermined why even watch? If it is then the Packers actually seem to be getting the better of it since they are 10-2.

Maybe should have gone their way?

Not maybe.

The NFL has already stated they made mistakes--not maybe--in the Bears game and the Dallas one, and there has been at least one other. I don't believe the reverse has been true at all this year, that the Packers opponents' were told by the league that they made a mistake.

Did you see the Seahawks/Pittsburgh Superbowl? How do those bad calls even out? In the following year's fourth game?

It's a bad fallacy that things even out. Many times they just don't. And it's not so funny.

Please tell me a how you would make a perfect system. How long should they comb over every play so that each team can not have one question as to whom the referees have given the advantage to? Obviously there are bad calls and I think that the league should focus on correcting those mistakes. It is far from a perfect system. Anyone think that the SanFran fans are still upset over Don Beebe not being called down? Why make yourself crazy over a part of the game that the teams have no control over, bad calls. They are a part of the game and they go both ways. They might not in one games time, but there are plenty of calls or non calls that each team can send into the league.

You can bet they are not as upset as I am with the Jerry Rice no fumble call.

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How long should they comb over every play so that each team can not have one question as to whom the referees have given the advantage to?

They only needed to comb over one last week and wait MM did throw the red flag so that the head official had a chance to see how they screwed up. But the current rules don't allow him the chance to correct an idot within his crew. A rule change doesn't require anymore review time just a correction.

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How long should they comb over every play so that each team can not have one question as to whom the referees have given the advantage to?

They only needed to comb over one last week and wait MM did throw the red flag so that the head official had a chance to see how they screwed up. But the current rules don't allow him the chance to correct an idot within his crew. A rule change doesn't require anymore review time just a correction.

In that particular instance it was evident from the replay that Owens had the ball ripped out before he was stopped and the ref with the closest vantage point called it that way (correctly, but overruled by another IDOT ref), but they (the league) must be worried that there are many other instances that are not so clear and would muddy the waters significantly. In the past the NFL seems to be fairly open to change, modification and clarification when it comes to rules. I would hope that given enough evidence that they could find a way to make it fair to all without totally muddying the waters. There are not always good enough camera angles and there are always going to be refs that do not want to over rule their own or their crues ruling. I guess that the league would rather that a few plays be called wrong rather than put every other judgment call into play especially int he last 2 minutes of each half. I can see both sides. I want it right, but the cannot even find a way to put a stationary camera on each side of each goal line so that question pertaining to breaking the plane are not in question because of bad/different angles.

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What I find funny is this sense that they refs are somehow trying to screw the Packers or there is an intentional bias. On defense the Packers play a style of football that puts the refs in position to have to make calls against them. These are mainly judgment calls that many times do not go with the Packers because the rules are written to give the offensive player the advantage and tie goes to the runner. Sure there have been some blatant calls that maybe should have gone the Packers way, but in the years before instant replay you would have to live with, but many times now they have a chance of being over turned. Is the system perfect? No. These things even out over time. I just think that obsessing over some bad calls (that happen when things happen so fast and you only have the human eyes and brain to determine what happened as it is happening) especially when the team in question is 10-2 is a little funny. If people think that the fix is on and the result is predetermined why even watch? If it is then the Packers actually seem to be getting the better of it since they are 10-2.

This sort of common sense has no place in a discussion about how the NFL is clearly out to get the Packers. Please refrain from making any posts that don't acknowledge the obvious conspiracy. Thank you.

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Originally posted by CHEEZE:
What I find funny is this sense that they refs are somehow trying to screw the Packers or there is an intentional bias. On defense the Packers play a style of football that puts the refs in position to have to make calls against them. These are mainly judgment calls that many times do not go with the Packers because the rules are written to give the offensive player the advantage and tie goes to the runner. Sure there have been some blatant calls that maybe should have gone the Packers way, but in the years before instant replay you would have to live with, but many times now they have a chance of being over turned. Is the system perfect? No. These things even out over time. I just think that obsessing over some bad calls (that happen when things happen so fast and you only have the human eyes and brain to determine what happened as it is happening) especially when the team in question is 10-2 is a little funny. If people think that the fix is on and the result is predetermined why even watch? If it is then the Packers actually seem to be getting the better of it since they are 10-2.

This sort of common sense has no place in a discussion about how the NFL is clearly out to get the Packers. Please refrain from making any posts that don't acknowledge the obvious conspiracy. Thank you.

No, thank you.

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Originally posted by CHEEZE:
Please tell me a how you would make a perfect system. How long should they comb over every play so that each team can not have one question as to whom the referees have given the advantage to? Obviously there are bad calls and I think that the league should focus on correcting those mistakes. It is far from a perfect system. Anyone think that the SanFran fans are still upset over Don Beebe not being called down? Why make yourself crazy over a part of the game that the teams have no control over, bad calls. They are a part of the game and they go both ways. They might not in one games time, but there are plenty of calls or non calls that each team can send into the league.

Please tell me which opponents of the Packers this year have been apologized to by the league for making errors in the games.

Finally, I'm not making myself crazy. I'm speaking. There's a little bit of a difference.

Where are our Viking friends? Did the NFL ever send an apology over the Corey Hall fumble or the Woodson non-pass interception during the game in the dome?

Not trying to bring back those discussions, just curious.

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Originally posted by CHEEZE:
Please tell me a how you would make a perfect system. How long should they comb over every play so that each team can not have one question as to whom the referees have given the advantage to? Obviously there are bad calls and I think that the league should focus on correcting those mistakes. It is far from a perfect system. Anyone think that the SanFran fans are still upset over Don Beebe not being called down? Why make yourself crazy over a part of the game that the teams have no control over, bad calls. They are a part of the game and they go both ways. They might not in one games time, but there are plenty of calls or non calls that each team can send into the league.

Please tell me which opponents of the Packers this year have been apologized to by the league for making errors in the games.

Finally, I'm not making myself crazy. I'm speaking. There's a little bit of a difference.

Believe me, at the time I was going nuts after both the bad call on Harris' rip away from TO and the PI call as well as others. The crazy part was not aimed at you specifically. It seems that weekly we have a similar thread. Something about same action expecting different results comes to mind.

I have seen plenty of other calls shown to Mike Peireira on Total Access from plenty of other teams that have been not called or called incorrectly not necessarily Packer opponents that week.

Point is that the Packers still needed to overcome those bad calls to win and have for the most part. That is what I think about. This team has been good enough to overcome the adversity whether it is the other team or the team in stripes. Would I rather they (bad/missed calls) were not there or there was a way to avoid every one? Sure, but I cannot foresee an NFL without similar questions.