They should penalize referees for making mistakes. That would stop this bad refereeing.

It appears T.O. was driven backwards when he was out of bounds. His first step in the field of play was downfield, immediately before Harris stripped the ball. IMO this was a blown call regardless of how "honest" Periera is in reviewing the play. Harris had the ball in the field of play, so how could T.O.'s forward progress have been stopped in the field of play, when he no longer had the ball?

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It was a waste though ... nothing could have been overturned because it was ruled that forward progress was stopped. The played ended right there in the refs eyes .. anything that happnened after (the strip) was ignored. Challenging what MM challenged was basically giving up a timeout, and nothing more.

I'm not sure, but I think you're missing the point here. While the forward progress call made it impossible for the review to correctly establish that Harris had taken the ball away, it could have established that the ball was never completed (i.e., T.O. never had control of the ball before going out of bounds).

I understand the point fine ... I said earlier it was obvious that he caught the ball .. that was never in question, and was clear in real speed, and in replays.

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The other thing I found interesting was that on the Tramon Williams PI call, Pereira clarifies that it was a penalty not because of any hand contact by Williams, but because when their legs tangled, the receiver was looking for the ball and the defender was not. If neither had been looking, no foul. If both had been looking, no foul.

If that is the case then I have to agree with those that complained about the call taking too long.

The only acceptable excuse for the delay IMO, would have been in the ref to Williams' left did not see his right arm on the receiver and the ref to Williams' right did. They both clearly saw the legs tangle.

Williams did look back for the ball - 4 or 5 steps before their legs tangled. It was a BS call. One of many.

Why... Yes. I am still bitter. Thanks for asking.

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Williams did look back for the ball - 4 or 5 steps before their legs tangled.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I don't know - maybe that's not good enough. I thought it was a bad call at the time. I appreciated learning one of the factors that accounts for a penalty or non-penalty.

the biggest crock was that the dope who had no angle on the play makes the final ruling. forward progress...what a joke.

Each week it seems, beyond just GB games, there have been just TERRIBLE calls by the Refs. Now, perhaps one could say this happens every year but this year beyond any other that I remember the calls made have been mind boggling.

It goes without saying the Harris INT would have been huge and likely sets an entirely different tone to the game since GB could have gone up as much as 10-0 with the ball deep in Dall-asses territory.

While yes, some credit to the league for acknowledging the gaffe it means little to GB or their record.

If adversity builds character, this should help this young team down the road. Maybe even in the playoffs against the same team in the same stadium.

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Williams did look back for the ball - 4 or 5 steps before their legs tangled.

Yeah, I see what you mean. I don't know - maybe that's not good enough. I thought it was a bad call at the time. I appreciated learning one of the factors that accounts for a penalty or non-penalty.

Peireira said that Williams wasn't playing the ball 'at the time of the tangling of the legs' and that is why the call stood. Looking back prior to that had no bearing on the call

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Originally posted by who:
Is it just me, or has this kind of crap happened an awful lot with Green Bay games this year?

It's just you. Nobody else here thinks the 10-2 Green Bay Packers have gotten screwed by the refs.

I hope you're kidding.

Go watch the Bears game.

See what you call and call what you see.



I call 'em like I see 'em. And if I don't see 'em, I make 'em up! - George Carlin

List of current penalties by team (Packers tied for second most):

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortableStatsTeam?div=NFL&...enTot&dir=descending

If you asked America what the biggest thing in their job is that management does nothing about is accountability....Hmmm....

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Originally posted by packerboi:
Each week it seems, beyond just GB games, there have been just TERRIBLE calls by the Refs. Now, perhaps one could say this happens every year but this year beyond any other that I remember the calls made have been mind boggling.

This happens in every game, every year. The Cowboys have had more than their share of bad calls and non calls.

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Originally posted by catts:

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Originally posted by packerboi:
Each week it seems, beyond just GB games, there have been just TERRIBLE calls by the Refs. Now, perhaps one could say this happens every year but this year beyond any other that I remember the calls made have been mind boggling.

This happens in every game, every year. The Cowboys have had more than their share of bad calls and non calls.

It sure didn't against the Pack. I haven't seen any apologies to them.

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:

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Originally posted by catts:

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Originally posted by packerboi:
Each week it seems, beyond just GB games, there have been just TERRIBLE calls by the Refs. Now, perhaps one could say this happens every year but this year beyond any other that I remember the calls made have been mind boggling.

This happens in every game, every year. The Cowboys have had more than their share of bad calls and non calls.

It sure didn't against the Pack. I haven't seen any apologies to them.

They don't apologise for every bad call...there's too many of them and it depends on how much attention is brought to it.
It all evens out, in the long run.

I've seen a lot of games where there was a quick whistle on a play...that's just the way it is.

No, it doesn't "All even out in the long run" when a blown call costs a team the Superbowl, or a chance at the Superbowl. Not saying that is the case here, but blown calls are the whole reason we have replay. If bad calls didn't sometimes unfairly cost teams games, we wouldn't need replay.

That's like the surgeon operating on the wrong side of your brain, it evens out over time.

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Originally posted by ColoradoPackFan:
No, it doesn't "All even out in the long run" when a blown call costs a team the Superbowl, or a chance at the Superbowl. Not saying that is the case here, but blown calls are the whole reason we have replay. If bad calls didn't sometimes unfairly cost teams games, we wouldn't need replay.

I would say every team in the league , at some time or other, has been cost a game that would have put them into the play-offs or lost a playoff game due to a bad call or lack thereof on the other team.
What's done is done and can not be changed...and in this game...the Packers were not good enough on that day to beat the Cowboys.

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I've seen a lot of games where there was a quick whistle on a play...that's just the way it is.

LMAO!!

Sorry, "a quick whistle" and a game-changing turnover are 2 vastly different things.

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Originally posted by catts:

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Originally posted by packerboi:
Each week it seems, beyond just GB games, there have been just TERRIBLE calls by the Refs. Now, perhaps one could say this happens every year but this year beyond any other that I remember the calls made have been mind boggling.

This happens in every game, every year. The Cowboys have had more than their share of bad calls and non calls.

It sure didn't against the Pack. I haven't seen any apologies to them.

They don't apologise for every bad call...there's too many of them and it depends on how much attention is brought to it.
It all evens out, in the long run.

I've seen a lot of games where there was a quick whistle on a play...that's just the way it is.

Wait, you just said and I quote "even out". Then how come the Cowboys didn't get an apology? FS and you can argue that til your hearts blue, but ignorance and incompetence go hand in hand.

since when do they apologise for an off-sides penality when a player was not offsides ??????

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since when do they apologise for an off-sides penality when a player was not offsides ??????

Are you for real? Then we might as well go for the 3 motion/false starts that weren't called...or Jennings TD reception on the clear facemask or the horrible facemask penalty on the Packers?

Again, did they apologize?