I am completly shocked that Dallas did not continue to give Barber the rock in the second half. He was shredding the giants all day. I believe McCarthey will continue to pound the ball with Grant. Will not be suprised that Grant will have ANOTHER HUGE game (minus the fumbles).

The Giants shut Barber down pretty well in the second half, and that is why Dallas started to go away from the run. However, Dallas didn't take advantage on many opportunities.
Romo missed a wide-open TO around the 10-yard line which would have likely been a touchdown instead of a Dallas FG.
Patrick Crayton dropped a pass on a crossing route after a Romo scramble that would have given Dallas not only a first down but probably would have gone for another 20-30 yards.
In the fourth quarter, the Giants D-line started to get pressure on Romo, and he made some really stupid decisions with first the intentional grounding and then taking sacks for huge losses when he clearly could have thrown the ball away. At that point, the Romo meltdown began, and he started trying to hit a big play down the field which wasn't really there.

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I am completly shocked that Dallas did not continue to give Barber the rock in the second half. He was shredding the giants all day.

I totally agree...they had plenty of time and New York was pinning their ears back. So much for genius Jason Garret.

thats where the Pack will have the advantage. With a disiplined veteran QB in Farve, compared to Romo, who is now 0-2 in the playoffs. But in Romo's defense, his receivers did not help him, Owens, did not look like he was 100%, Glenn really did not look all that good, and Crayton had a HUGE key drop. Whitten seemed to dissapear at times (could be from the NYG 'D').

The Giants are playing great at the right time, but the Pack should beat them. Do not overlook the Giants, ask the Bucs and Cowboys and darn near upset the Pats!!

I think the Packers should win this game, but no way is it a lock. The reason I feel this way:

o Inclement weather favors the Giants.

o Giants good at line of scrimmage (both sides of the ball). Especially defensive line.

o Good running game.

o Manning making few mistakes.


If the weather is tough such that the passing game is tempered, a team that is hard to outplay on the line of scrimmage, doesn't make mistakes, and runs well is not a team that will generally get destroyed.

I really think the packers ought to win, but I don't think it's an accurate accounting of this Giants team to write the game off as a foregone conclusion.

Inclement weather does not favor the Giants. Eli hates to play in cold or snow. Brett doesn't mind the cold and snow but does dislike windy conditions. Just because we have not seen the rotation of RBs like New York does, doesn't mean the Packers could not or will not use Jackson or Morency more.

I'll take our passing game in the cold too. We know Bubba can play in the cold, I'm not so sore about Boss. And I'll take our WR over theirs in the cold or in any weather. Plus the Giants DBs are really banged up and even slight injuries become magnified in the kind of cold that is predicted for Sunday.

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o Inclement weather favors the Giants.
.QUOTE] not sure I agree. Packers have arguably demonstrated the best running game in the NFL over the past 8 weeks. Packers have been stubborn to run against all year, ask the hags...and Eli, oh Eli, with all the redemtion/coming of age talk he will hear plus he has never played below 24 degrees (and didn't like that)...not sure his mental stature is up to the task.

well, I hope you guys are right.

I guess by "inclement," I mean the kind that tosses out much of the advantage of a superior passing game.

I know what you mean there too. But I think we can still use the quick slants but Brett may have to take a bit off to compensate for the slick cold and harder ball. My fear is a couple of picks due to tipped balls. However

The Giants' Dline is very good, but their greatest strength is their rushing ends. Fortunately, we have a couple of guys in Cliffy and Tausch that have played a lot of good football.

In his interview, Grant was showing some signs of cold/exercise induced asthma. If that arctic front is at it's peak, that could be a problem. Hopefully if it develops, BJack can step in and handle the load.

We're way better than the Bears, and they kicked our ass in the last game, so I guess we'll have to play the game.

I saw some pretty good breakdown of what the Giants secondary was doing vs. the Dallas receivers on NFLN. They were playing a lot of man, getting in their faces and disrupting the timing of the routes. Of course this is easier to do when your front 4 is getting pressure on the QB - something NYG is tops at. The Giants are banged up as hell in the secondary but somehow the bench matched up well against what Dallas had on the field. Granted, TO was not 100% and Terry Glenn was a shell of himself after being off almost all season but I still wouldn't chalk up an easy W for the Packers spread group. McCarthy should have something up his sleeve to break it open though.

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McCarthy should have something up his sleeve to break it open though.

- Throwback routes to the Backs out of the backfield, down the sidelines?

Safe and High percentage.

The Giants are really banged up in some key areas- DL, CB, OL, and WR, but that didn't really impact them all that much against Dallas. The key difference is that the Giants pass rushers had ideal conditions to play in and the Dallas gameplan was totally flawed. The Cowboys gave up on the run way too early and that cost them in the end.

The Giants do have a decent power running attack and that does concern me if the conditions are poor, but other than that I think a team like Seattle was a tougher test. The other main difference is that when is the clock going to strike midnight with Eli Manning? He's due for "one of those games" and unlike GB I don't think they will be able to win if he doesn't play well.

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Originally posted by Lazyboy: In his interview, Grant was showing some signs of cold/exercise induced asthma. If that arctic front is at it's peak, that could be a problem. Hopefully if it develops, BJack can step in and handle the load.

Does he have asthma or did you think he was displaying those signs? FYI, Ahman Green had asthma.

The Giants didn't exactly cover T.O. and Crayton too well on two of the key plays of the game. If Romo hits T.O. for the wide open TD or Crayton catches the easy pass for a long gain then we're not even talking about the Giants right now.

yeah honestly lets give props to the giants but jeez the cowboys had 3 golden opportunities flushed down the toilet with boneheaded plays by romo and then dropped passes by crayton.

the cowboys should have won that game 31-21.

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Originally posted by nywis:
yeah honestly lets give props to the giants but jeez the cowboys had 3 golden opportunities flushed down the toilet with boneheaded plays by romo and then dropped passes by crayton.

the cowboys should have won that game 31-21.

woulda coulda shoulda. Only thing that matters is doing which the Giants did.

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Originally posted by nywis:
yeah honestly lets give props to the giants but jeez the cowboys had 3 golden opportunities flushed down the toilet with boneheaded plays by romo and then dropped passes by crayton.

the cowboys should have won that game 31-21.

woulda coulda shoulda. Only thing that matters is doing which the Giants did.

i dont care what the cowboys did. my point is that the packers won't make the same mistakes.

favre is smart enough to know when to chuck it OOB now or not to get an IG penalty.

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Originally posted by phaedrus:

o Inclement weather favors the Giants.

I disagree. The Giants have a good DL. Inclement weather = slower track = slower DL = Packer OL dominating.

Meanwhile, Eli is already talking about the weather. He hasn't seen press coverage like this since.....the second week of the season.

I noticed on one of the plays where the Giants really went after Romo, Romo had no one short to safety valve to. I thought that was beyond idiotic. It was the play where he was well short on a ~15 yard pass to the left sideline. They replayed it and as far as I could see, that was the closest receiver Romo had.

Man, that makes NO sense against the Giants defense. There has to usually be some dumpoff as a safety valve. I think this happened a few times in the second half.

I don't think you can draw too much from yesterday's game in Dallas

Personally, I don't think Dallas was that good of a team and it showed up again yesterday. That team hasn't played a decent game since (ironically) Green Bay almost two months ago.

The Giants strength is their line play and their running game. You limit their big play opportunities and you will beat them. You also know that the Giants will simply line up and try to run right at GB and I hope the Packers are prepared.

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Originally posted by CHEEZE:

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Originally posted by nywis:
yeah honestly lets give props to the giants but jeez the cowboys had 3 golden opportunities flushed down the toilet with boneheaded plays by romo and then dropped passes by crayton.

the cowboys should have won that game 31-21.

woulda coulda shoulda. Only thing that matters is doing which the Giants did.

i dont care what the cowboys did. my point is that the packers won't make the same mistakes.

favre is smart enough to know when to chuck it OOB now or not to get an IG penalty.

Have you actually seen the game? It has not happened yet. Anything can happen and sometimes does. I do not count my s before they hatch.

I do not mean to sound harsh, because I find myself almost saying that the Pack have won the game, because that is what my gut tells me, but I know that either team is capable of winning or losing. I am not a "we must focus on the Giants" guy because we are the fans and what we do, think or say has no effect on the game" karma or no karma. I am just trying to say that nobody knows what is going to happen in any one game. Just ask the Colts and Girls.

i dont know if anyone else saw this but i tivo-ed it to show my wife.

on one pass play a dallas linemen went past the LOS and started to head downfield as though he was going to be the dump off guy.

the giant LBer actually followed him and tried covering him.

Inclement weather (at least, slippery conditions) always favors the offense. Hard to pass rush when you can't get footing, and even harder to react to a receiver who already knows where he's going.

The same rules apply when the Gnats have the ball.