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Originally posted by LSU4GB:

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:

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Originally posted by stillcrazee:
1st round: Antonio Rodgers-Cromartie, CB

Might be a good pick, but I'd prefer Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.

I'm pretty sure Dominique R-C will be gone by #30...not sure about the other.

Agreed on DRC. He had a great showing at the Senior Bowl and ran his ass off at the combine. I don't think he makes it out of the top 15.

The trouble without signing a FA CB of high stature is who do you start? Woody and Harris both still think of themselves as starters, and you can bet that Al Harris has visions of #17 haunting his dreams. I am certain that harris is training harder this year to quell those (including possible members of the Packer staff) who doubt whether he still has it.

That said, I think that you avoid aen expensive FA signing, and you draft a guy high and develop him. The Packers haven't used a high round pick on a CB since they drafted Carroll, and that has hurt them- they have no quality depth. Williams showed some here and there, but it remains to be seen if he can solidify the position. You cannot count on Blackmon, and Bush shouldn't be on an NFL roster. Draft a guy 1st or second round and develop him behind two hard-working professionals.

I think TE is a must, and there's some quality guys in this draft. I like that kid out of USC- he has deep middle potential, and the Packers have been missing that.

I think this is the last year of Tony Moll, and that will be because they will draft a G early as well. He was on the fence last year- this year, he won't make the cut.

The Packers also have to target a DE with some pass rush ability. It may be worth going early for a DE, because I think Jenkins is what he is (decent, but not great) and there really isn't anyone else at DE that the Packers can look to as their guy opposite Kampy for the future. It's time they address this with a guy that could reap dividends sooner rather than later. I like Monty, but that's not a future guy. They need a stud. I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers go DE in round one and surprise everyone.

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Originally posted by Music City:
The Packers also have to target a DE with some pass rush ability. It may be worth going early for a DE, because I think Jenkins is what he is (decent, but not great) and there really isn't anyone else at DE that the Packers can look to as their guy opposite Kampy for the future. It's time they address this with a guy that could reap dividends sooner rather than later. I like Monty, but that's not a future guy. They need a stud. I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers go DE in round one and surprise everyone.

I read a while back the Packer reps spent a lot of time watching the DEs at the Senior Bowl.

Another way to look at this is to gear our team to win our division. Recall when we drafted specifically to defend against Moss.

Now the Vikes have Pederson. The Bears still have a solid defense. How do we match up against them? What will we need to beat these two teams next year?

I think we stick to strengthening the defensive side and look for skill players who can tackle, contain etc. We also need help on the O-line, but that can usually be had in later rounds of the draft. Rodgers will need a strong running game behind him to keep the pressure off of him as he matures. If we start 08 like we did 07 (no running game), it will make A-rod's job very tough.

Although it's unlikely given their age, it'd be worthwhile for Thompson to at least try and convince Brett and Deanna to have a son; especially now that Brett's gonna have all this free time. Never too soon to start preparing for 2030.

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Originally posted by Music City:
The trouble without signing a FA CB of high stature is who do you start? Woody and Harris both still think of themselves as starters, and you can bet that Al Harris has visions of #17 haunting his dreams. I am certain that harris is training harder this year to quell those (including possible members of the Packer staff) who doubt whether he still has it.

Honestly, I don't think it's a matter of Al Harris not being physically able to handle these WR's. Rather, I think he just psyches himself out. He did it againt T.O. (although he got SCREWED on an INT he had but was incorrectly called) and of course in the NFCC.

He was all about making the Pro Bowl and while he prob. didnt deserve it as much this year, he has in the past and maybe he needed it to validate himself as a premier CB.

I think some of these guys have figured out you can get into Al's head and throw him off his game. And only Al has the power to change that.

Bottom line is, if you can't keep your franchise player not to mention your best player happy and healthy mentally to play, as the General Manager of the team you have failed.

I'm saying that by no means do I believe that Brett Favre would have retired if Thompson would have done his job. Having 33 million (or 21 million) in cap space at the time is inexcusable for a Super Bowl Calibur team. They should be doing everything in their power to add to this team and they refuse to do so. The draft can only do so much and Thompson is bound to have a few "bust" drafts coming up. It's the law of averages. Last seasons draft was not very good in retrospect.

This team could have been 11-5 or 12-4 next year. You are probably looking at 9-7 at best next season with the schedule we face.

There will be at least 50 threads next season with people asking why Thompson didnt do everything possible to keep Favre. To put your head in the sand now and pretend it wont happen is just naive. The packers were not 13-3 good last season. They could just as easily go 5-11 next season as 13-3.

With Favre in the fold, he pretty much adds 2-3 wins himself just out of pure energy and his play making abilities. Plus, people just like playing for him. They bust their butts for him. I will like AR, I hope he does well, but I think if you have a better player in the fold, you do everything you can to make sure he stays in the fold. Not just make excuses about not being able to prevent him leaving. That is horsecrap.

Pack should either draft Brohm (if available) or take a DB or OL. It will be interesting who will fall from the middle of round 1 to the end of round 1 with so many fast risers up the board this year.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Bottom line is, if you can't keep your franchise player not to mention your best player happy and healthy mentally to play, as the General Manager of the team you have failed.

I'm saying that by no means do I believe that Brett Favre would have retired if Thompson would have done his job. Having 33 million (or 21 million) in cap space at the time is inexcusable for a Super Bowl Calibur team. They should be doing everything in their power to add to this team and they refuse to do so. The draft can only do so much and Thompson is bound to have a few "bust" drafts coming up. It's the law of averages. Last seasons draft was not very good in retrospect.

This team could have been 11-5 or 12-4 next year. You are probably looking at 9-7 at best next season with the schedule we face.

There will be at least 50 threads next season with people asking why Thompson didnt do everything possible to keep Favre. To put your head in the sand now and pretend it wont happen is just naive. The packers were not 13-3 good last season. They could just as easily go 5-11 next season as 13-3.

With Favre in the fold, he pretty much adds 2-3 wins himself just out of pure energy and his play making abilities. Plus, people just like playing for him. They bust their butts for him. I will like AR, I hope he does well, but I think if you have a better player in the fold, you do everything you can to make sure he stays in the fold. Not just make excuses about not being able to prevent him leaving. That is horsecrap.

to quote you "That is horsecrap".

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
Bottom line is, if you can't keep your franchise player not to mention your best player happy and healthy mentally to play, as the General Manager of the team you have failed.

Favre himself said it had nothing to do with Thompson and or McCarthy AND he was completely honest when he said it. Get over yourself and your stomping your feet like a little baby tude already. There is no conspiracy theory that someone or anyone forced him into retirment. Favre made that prefectly clear in his presser. Honestly,did you think he was going to play for ever?

I'm not sure Al having trouble with Plax is due to age or ability. How is it that we expect a 6-1 CB to be able to single-handedly cover a WR who is 6-6. That is a pretty big size disparity not only in height but reach.

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Originally posted by BackThePack:
Favre himself said it had nothing to do with Thompson and or McCarthy AND he was completely honest when he said it. Get over yourself and your stomping your feet like a little baby tude already. There is no conspiracy theory that someone or anyone forced him into retirment. Favre made that prefectly clear in his presser. Honestly,did you think he was going to play for ever?

This is what happens when you listen to WTMJ too much. Conspiracy theorists unite!

you actually believe people every time they say something?

His brother and his agent have said otherwise... where do you think that came from? Nowhere?

It's not the end of the world, but Ted Thompson should be held accountable for how this plays out.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
you actually believe people every time they say something?

His brother and his agent have said otherwise... where do you think that came from? Nowhere?

It's not the end of the world, but Ted Thompson should be held accountable for how this plays out.

Yes,because as we all know a sports agent(s) are very well known for telling the facts and truth.

Honestly,where do you come up with this crap?

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This is what happens when you listen to WTMJ too much. Conspiracy theorists unite!

No kidding,this is about as stupid as someone attempting to tell us that Darren Sharper is a top 40 greatest Packers of all time.

The guy give us as fan 16 seasons of memories and joy and then walked away under his own terms and some fans actually have the balls to sit here and place blame on someone else for him retiring? Talk about being selfish babies! Wow some of our Packer fans really need to step into the world of reality.

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Originally posted by Music City:
The Packers also have to target a DE with some pass rush ability. It may be worth going early for a DE, because I think Jenkins is what he is (decent, but not great) and there really isn't anyone else at DE that the Packers can look to as their guy opposite Kampy for the future. It's time they address this with a guy that could reap dividends sooner rather than later. I like Monty, but that's not a future guy. They need a stud. I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers go DE in round one and surprise everyone.

I read a while back the Packer reps spent a lot of time watching the DEs at the Senior Bowl.

They should ... they need another guy who can raise some hell as an edge rusher. If they could snag a quality DE early in the draft it may allow the Packers to move Jenkins back inside more often. He flopped hard as a rusher last season.

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Originally posted by packerboi:

This is what happens when you listen to WTMJ too much. Conspiracy theorists unite!

No kidding,this is about as stupid as someone attempting to tell us that Darren Sharper is a top 40 greatest Packers of all time.

A guy that is statistically in the top 5 in most major defensive back categories, plus played on a majority of winning teams should merit consideration for the top 40. Be it as it may, he was our best defensive player for a few years of his stay here.. and I think he should be in the top 40 of all-time GBP. It's just not that much of a stretch.

So next fall when the packers are not performing, I hope none of you change your tune as you so often do around here.

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A guy that is statistically in the top 5 in most major defensive back categories, plus played on a majority of winning teams should merit consideration for the top 40. Be it as it may, he was our best defensive player for a few years of his stay here.. and I think he should be in the top 40 of all-time GBP. It's just not that much of a stretch.

So next fall when the packers are not performing, I hope none of you change your tune as you so often do around here.

There was alot of us that told you how ridiculous your comment was on Sharper and even gave you a list to show exactly that. If you want to believe other wise then have at it.

Also don't worry there actually is some of us that didnt jump on the bandwagon after or around '92 here or watch them when it's the 'in' thing to do. We watched the Packers well before Favre was here and will long after he is gone.

Some of you really sound like spoiled brats. Guess what? Football in Green Bay will go on next year even without Favre. I know some of you are really struggling with that. However,that is exactly what is going to happen.

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Originally posted by Diggr14:...There will be at least 50 threads next season with people asking why Thompson didnt do everything possible to keep Favre. To put your head in the sand now and pretend it wont happen is just naive. The packers were not 13-3 good last season. They could just as easily go 5-11 next season as 13-3...

There was nothing Ted Thompson could have done to stop Brett Favre from retiring. Why? Favre said he knows he can still play, but he knows he can't play because he can't commit to the time during the week needed to prepare for games. He was honest enough to admit after 17 years the fire needed to embrace that kind of schedule was not there. He said it would be wrong for him to talk himself into playing under those circumstances. He won't cheat his teammates or the Packer organization when he's not willing to give 100% to the game. He said it's over, he has nothing more to give.

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Originally posted by Music City: I think TE is a must, and there's some quality guys in this draft. I like that kid out of USC- he has deep middle potential, and the Packers have been missing that.

I think the Packers have to jump on a TE early as well. I like Dustin Keller from Purdue, although he's more of an H-Back than a Blocking TE. He'd be tough for linebackers and safeties to handle as he's faster, bigger, and stronger than most of them. He'd be a nice reciving weapon for Rodgers in the years to come, and will probably be able to become an adequate blocker in time.

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you actually believe people every time they say something?

His brother and his agent have said otherwise... where do you think that came from? Nowhere?

It's not the end of the world, but Ted Thompson should be held accountable for how this plays out.

Yes Agents have nothing to gain by another year at 12 Million.

I know that when Drew Rosenhaus was certainly forthright and honest when discusing TO's apology to the Eagles....'next question'

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Originally posted by Diggr14:
you actually believe people every time they say something?

His brother and his agent have said otherwise... where do you think that came from? Nowhere?

It's not the end of the world, but Ted Thompson should be held accountable for how this plays out.

you actually believe people every time they say something?