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 Location: Eagan, MN
Registered: 07-26-2001
Posts: 6811
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I'd agree with most of this. Sharper is a solid player. I don't think he's worthy of the pro-bowl this season, but he's not as bad as Packer fans here think he is. I agree on Birk as well. He's good, but not great. That's pure name-recognition. I'm not sure both Williams belong there either...but I'm not sure which one I would leave off. |
 Location: What in the wide wide world of sports is going on out there?
Registered: 10-04-2004
Posts: 9411
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If you can send 2 DT's from one team you could certainly send to CB's from one team. Regardless, I couldn't care less about the Pro-Bowl unless I won a trip to the game.
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 Location: Denver, Colorado
Registered: 12-08-2003
Posts: 259
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Harris held Holt to 3 catches for 21 yards. Granted, one of those catches was a TD, but still...that is not "looking bad." IMO, the only matchup in which Harris has truly "looked bad" was the one against Owens. After that was after Harris was robbed of a int/strip on the Cowboys' first drive. If the refs get that call correct, who knows how the rest of the game would have played out. Owens may have lost his cool. |
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Location: Denver, Colorado
Registered: 12-08-2003
Posts: 259
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Sorry, FRZ. I didn't see your post before I wrote mine. We made the exact same points. |
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Location: Denver, Colorado
Registered: 12-08-2003
Posts: 259
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Yeah, tough to believe. However, Jax is not a first place team, because Indy is in 1st place. Of course, Jax is better than the leaders in half of the division in football: NFC South, NFC West, AFC North, AFC West |
 Location: San Diego
Registered: 12-19-2005
Posts: 7200
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IMHO, it should be the GM's, the Pro Personnel Dept. and the scouts who should decide who's having the best season. These are the paid pros whose job it is to break down film and to see who's out there playing well. I don't think national media should have a voice - I still hear honks every day talking about how GB can't run the ball, have no running threat, etc., which tells me not all of them see every team.
It doesn't mean anything to me or most fans - I don't even watch that 'game,' but it does mean something to players, as many of them have pretty sizable bonuses tied to the Pro Bowl in their contracts. Even if they don't, appearing in a few PB's can make a player a lot of money on his next contract - see Bubba Franks for one example. The whole process is a mess, which makes an otherwise irrelevant game even less relevant. |
 Location: on Barack Obama's Bus
Registered: 03-20-2006
Posts: 383
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I think the one player who can make a case of getting Snubbed besides Cwood, Barnett, Jennings and DLee is Crosby!!!
Here are the numbers between Crosby and Folk: Crosby: A-M FGM FG ATT % Blk Lng 1-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ Perfect on Xp's 29 37 78 1 53 1-1 8-8 9-8 14-9 5-3 43-43 Folk: FGM FG Att % Blk Lng 1-19 20-29 30-39 40-49 50+ XP's 22 26 85 1 53 0-0 10-9 5-5 6-6 5-2 51-51 They are both rookies and the numbers are comparable, but would you rather be kicking in Dallas or GB, sure he has missed 4 field goals and 3 of them have been from 50+. Mason is leading the league in points as a ROOKIE, and he is 15 points away from setting the Rookie record for points. If that does not say Pro Bowl I dont know what does??? |
 Location: I welcome death.
Registered: 01-24-2006
Posts: 2557
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Let's hope Dwight gets to go as alternate. |
 Location: John Clay's Rubicon
Registered: 03-06-2000
Posts: 7108
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- Because the "Matador" can tackle. http://timesfour.com/groupee_files/attachments/2/9/2/29...2Fmartin_sharper.jpg |
 Location: Alexandria, VA
Registered: 02-06-2000
Posts: 19320
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It just goes to show you that the Packers win as a TEAM and not a bunch of stars
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 Location: "beat me like a rented mule" - Henry
Registered: 02-02-2000
Posts: 20180
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No it doesn't. It tells you that the pro-bowl is a popularity contest voted on by folks who see only a fraction of the games in the NFL. |
 Location: Baldwin,WI,USA
Registered: 02-02-2000
Posts: 11012
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OK...BPG cut it out. You are completely ruining my theory about the type of personalities that post on other teams forums. With you around, Psychology Today Weekly will never publish my paper....you counter-example, you. |
 Location: The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Registered: 01-19-2005
Posts: 5522
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Sacrilage!  |
 Location: Gods Country
Registered: 05-09-2000
Posts: 10941
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 Location: Dining in hell...
Registered: 04-10-2001
Posts: 5290
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This is what Packers football is all about.
Give it a read. I love the "anti-me" attitude this TEAM has. Pay particular attention to the quotes from Al Harris, Aaron Kampman and Donald Driver. |
 Location: Trying to take the high road
Registered: 09-14-2000
Posts: 1708
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Do you really want your marquee players risking serious injury by competing in a meaningless game? I wish all of our guys would graciously accept the honor, but turn down actually playing in it.
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 Location: So Cal
Registered: 01-03-2002
Posts: 443
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A couple of articles I saw today:
Pro Bowl selection process is flawed
And this article from Fox: Who should have made the Pro Bowl? They acknowledge Clifton and Crosby, but no one else. Not even a mention of Barnett or Woodson.
I didn't know how great a season Crosby is having either:
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 Location: South St Paul MN
Registered: 02-15-2000
Posts: 4205
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Let's make it clear that the Harris mentioned in that quote is Tommie, not Al.
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 Location: Shoreview, MN USA
Registered: 09-18-2000
Posts: 13714
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78% is not that good, that is good for 27th in the NFL. folk has missed one FG under 50 yards. he's been lights out this year including that 53 yarder to beat buffalo (twice) kicking in green bay hasn't been a disadvantage for crosby to date. they have had only one cold weather game there. i think some people want to believe that it's 20 below in september there but it isn't. folk was a good choice and i'd put gould just behind him. crosby may have a lot of points but his accuracy doesn't make the cut. |
 Location: Getting whiplash staring at Antiworst's avatar
Registered: 02-02-2000
Posts: 7709
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Next thing ya know, people will be talking about Adrian Petersen as a MVP candidate!
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Location: John Clay's Rubicon
Registered: 03-06-2000
Posts: 7108
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- Like I said before the last Packer game, He's one cut away from never playing again ... mark it down because its gonna happen sooner rather than later! |
 Location: Denver, CO
Registered: 08-16-2005
Posts: 555
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I agree. I know its been said about a lot of RB's recently, but he runs tall, leaving himself, especially his knees, very vulnerable to big hits. The RB's that stay on the field are guys who run very low. Guys like LT, Curtis Martin, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, and Warrick Dunn. I would never hope for an injury, but I would be very shocked if AP has a healthy 10 year career considering his brutal running style and his past injury history. But about the pro bowl, its ridiculous that the Vikings have 7 pro bowlers. That, and you can argue 2 of their best defenders didn't even make it (EJ and Winfield). If they have all this talent, how are they only 8-6, fighting for the last wild card spot? And Darren getting the stating nod? Looks like his bonehead play in the endzone against the packers didn't get much exposure. |
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Location: Eagan, MN
Registered: 07-26-2001
Posts: 6811
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Not that they deserve 7 Pro-Bowlers, but the answer to this question is that their 3 starting QB's this season have been Jackson (14 games played in his career...all before he was ready), Holcomb (terrible), and Bollinger (worse than Holcomb). Exchange those 3 for Favre/Rodgers and change nothing else...what do you think each team's record would be? Off the top of my head, I can think of 4 games the Vikings probably would have won with Favre at QB. Detroit, KC, Dallas, and GB at the Dome. You can't underestimate the importance of the QB position. |
