No, not the beer, I'm talking about the 350 lb. free agent DT.

We only had 3 DTs active today: Harrell, Williams, and Muir. It showed. The Bears had their way with those 3 and most of the key 3rd down runs came right up the middle (I think?). The Bears have the worst rushing offense in the NFL and Peterson ran very effectively I thought. We really missed both Pickett and Jolly today.

The only positive to the DT position is that we'll have Pickett back for the playoffs but Pickett is most effective when he can get a break every now and then. Harrell is the only other DT with size. We're going to face some good rushing teams in the playoffs...Minnesota and Dallas both have big Olines and tough RBs and Seattle has had some success running the ball with Morris and Alexander.

Even though Sam Adams is an old veteran and got cut from the Broncos I think he still has some left in the tank. I think he has enough to get through 3 playoff games a rotational player. We could really use his size to give Pickett a break. He's not going to cost anything more than minimum. I don't know what it would hurt to add not only have his big body to clog the middle but his veteran leadership.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
No, not the beer, .....

oh..okay never mind then

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Originally posted by bigdoggyjude:

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
No, not the beer, .....

oh..okay never mind then

what about the light beer?

I think they need to consider it. Our D-line is getting pushed around quite a bit in the last 2 games by really inferior O-lines. It has to be a matter of depth. We won't beat the Cowboys (or the Vikings, Giants, Seahawks, or Bucs, for that matter) if things don't turn around.

I just worry that Adams has nothing left. He got released from one of the worst rush defenses in the NFL. What does that say about him?

Maybe a few weeks off would rejuvenate him and he could be successful playing a dozen or so snaps a game.

Who could/would the Packers take off the roster if they signed him, though?

The Cowboys will sign him before we do.

NO. One guy could not have the difference today.

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Originally posted by GBP1:
NO. One guy could not have the difference today.

It's not just about today, and even if it were I think one could make the case that if we didn't let the Bears have an 11 minute opening drive, or rush for first downs at will all game, the result might have been different. But looking at the last few games and ahead to the playoffs, the ability to stop the run has become a major problem. Adams doesn't have to be the 'one guy' to turn a bad defense into a good defense; he needs to spell the main guys on a struggling defense so that teams can't wear them down.

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I think they need to consider it. Our D-line is getting pushed around quite a bit in the last 2 games by really inferior O-lines. It has to be a matter of depth. We won't beat the Cowboys (or the Vikings, Giants, Seahawks, or Bucs, for that matter) if things don't turn around.

I just worry that Adams has nothing left. He got released from one of the worst rush defenses in the NFL. What does that say about him?

Before today, I wouldn't have considered it. The Packers survived the loss of two D-linemen, but finally, they couldn't survive the loss of three of them.

They need Pickett back for the playoffs no question about it. And they could use one more guy in the rotation in case someone gets hurt again. Will Sam Adams be able to plug line and occupy blockers for 10-15 plays a game? I don't know but they might want to investigate the possibilities.

If Pickett comes back healthy and all of the current guys on the DL stay healthy, then they would be fine, but you just can't count on that.

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Originally posted by GBP1:
NO. One guy could not have the difference today.

That's not what I was saying. Harrell is our only other "big body" behind Pickett. Both of those guys need to get regular breaks to stay fresh and effective.

I think Pickett's already proven he can't be effective when he's playing the majority of the game. If we want to be effective against the good run teams like Minny and Dallas, I think we need another big body to rotate in. Cole was that other big body, as was Jolly.

Williams isn't big or powerful enough to play Pickett's role consistantly and Muir is listed at 298. Even Jenkins is barely above 300. We'll need Jenkins on the outside to help stop Barber and Peterson and if KGB or Montgomery come in, I think we'll have trouble stopping them.

Adams alone wouldn't make a difference but having him in there for 10 or 12 plays a game to give Harrell and Pickett a break would go a long way IMO. Colin Cole is not that good, but him going in there and getting in everyone's way while giving Pickett a much needed break is huge.

I'm personally almost always against a signing like this, but the waning depth of the DT's is a big concern. GB started the season with a whole bunch of DT's and many thought they were a bit overloaded at the position. IF Adams can come in for those 10-15 snaps per game and on GL/short yardage, perhaps they could squeeze something out of him for just a handful of games. Muir clearly isn't ready, nor are Williams or Harrell ready to play 75% of the snaps for multiple games in a row. Yeah, I think they should at least look at the possibility. Bring him in for a workout and at least see if he has anything left in the tank.

The fact that Denver didn't want Adams and no other team has signed him in the past few weeks tells me that the guy has nothing left.

I think we're seeing just how valuable Jolly was. He was strong against the run, he got decent push on passing downs and he played with more emotion than just about any player on the defense. If I'm TT, he's the young DT I'd be looking to lock up long term.

Agreed - Jolly had become vital to the team's overall play. I wonder if I'm harping on this too much, but as much as GB misses Jolly, Williams has been a recent disappointment in a big way. Done nothing for a month now, and that's with more playing time.

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Originally posted by heyward:
The fact that Denver didn't want Adams and no other team has signed him in the past few weeks tells me that the guy has nothing left.

I think we're seeing just how valuable Jolly was. He was strong against the run, he got decent push on passing downs and he played with more emotion than just about any player on the defense. If I'm TT, he's the young DT I'd be looking to lock up long term.

Agreed. Just how bad did he hurt his shoulder? I was hoping he wouldn't have to go on IR.

I don't know what Adams was making, but maybe Denver cut him so they didn't have to pay him. They probably wouldn't have saved much, but if he wasn't gonna play much anyway.

Like I said, it couldn't hurt giving him a look. Maybe a few weeks off would "fill the tank" a little bit.

...and maybe, if there is something left in the tank, a run to a Super Bowl would motivate him for a month. At best, he'd be another Rison or Gravy. At worst, he's a wash-out, and he doesn't get signed after a workout and a meeting.

He's 350 pounds- how good does he have to be?

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...and maybe, if there is something left in the tank, a run to a Super Bowl would motivate him for a month. At best, he'd be another Rison or Gravy. At worst, he's a wash-out, and he doesn't get signed after a workout and a meeting.

Exactly. Best case scenario, he gives Pickett a break and clogs the line for 3 or 4 games...worst case scenario, we cut him because he's washed up and we lose nothing.

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Agreed - Jolly had become vital to the team's overall play. I wonder if I'm harping on this too much, but as much as GB misses Jolly, Williams has been a recent disappointment in a big way. Done nothing for a month now, and that's with more playing time.

I think the key here is when you said "with more playing time." Maybe that's the problem? I think they made really good use of all their depth earlier in the season, and now with some guys out the players they have left get too worn out over the course of the game? In that case Adams would be a wise investment.

I agree Williams has been a big disappointment. He looked like a terror about a month and a half ago. I can't explain what's happened.

Guys get worn down, D-Tackles especially. That's where teh rotation has been so effective. With only three DTs active, it was bound to be a long day, especially in that weather.

Sam Adams may be done, but for a few games? Eh, maybe bring him in and see if he has ANYTHING left.

Adams would definetaly help with all the bruised and batter interior linemen we have now. I say give him a look.

Do you all want to tag Williams now with his play in the last coule of weeks?????

It seems to me the loss of Jolly and Pickett is hurting this defense big time from a run defense standpoint.

Harrell has played OK but the loss of our interior DL has a trickle down effect to other DL like Jenkins and Williams and KGB as well.

I would think they would look to add a guy like Adams because I think teams are figuring out that the way to beat GB is to control the clock and run the ball. It keeps GB's offense off the field and shortens the game.

It certainly couldn't hurt. They really don't have any leader types down there right now, and some with Sam's experience could get the younger guys focused.

Even if he hasn't been a gamebreaker, the selection of Harrell looks like a really good move right now.

Harrell did show some flashes of ability against the Bears.

While he's a big guy he seem to have very good quickness off the ball and he can make plays around the line of scrimmage. He plays a lot like Corey Williams it will really be interesting to see what they do with CW because they are similar players.

We've seen the last couple of weeks how important good DL are in terms of the defensive scheming so it's probably a good thing they chose Harrell. I wasn't all that excited about the pick (for instance, Greg Olsen or Leon Hall would have looked better) but a year or two from now this guy could be a dominant inside player for this team. When you consider the fact that they already have Kampmann and KGB, two elite pass rushers, and a decent run stuffer like Pickett the Packers could have the best DL in the league before it's all said and done.