MM Hater


"During the intermission you're supposed to make adjustments. OK, they're gonna stop the run now, so here's what we'll do. What the Packers did in the second half was run the ball into the heart of the defense, like mindless idiots, and then throw the short checkdown on third down."

if only we had a thread about MM's play calling........

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Originally posted by El-Ka-Bong:
if only we had a thread about MM's play calling........

Sorry, I see this article was posted like 9 minutes on that thread before I posted this. I read through the "MM's play calling" thread and it was more people ripping on each other rather than about the game. Kill away Mods.

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The Bears were the hungry team, at least in the second half. The unbeaten Packers were supposedly ready to move to a higher level this season. Uh uh. Sorry, not ready yet. Not tough enough. The Bears out-toughed them. Landry would understand.

I buy this quote.

Unfortunately, I have to agree with him.

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Originally posted by Henry:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with him.

So do I.

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Originally posted by Henry:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with him.

Yeah he's actually not wrong.

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Originally posted by antiworst:

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Originally posted by Henry:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with him.

So do I.

The only benefit I can see from this game is MM is most likely watching the game and slapping his forehead mumbling, "stupid! stupid! stupid! . . ." I think it was just that obvious to everyone including MM.

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by antiworst:

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Originally posted by Henry:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with him.

So do I.

The only benefit I can see from this game is MM is most likely watching the game and slapping his forehead mumbling, "stupid! stupid! stupid! . . ." I think it was just that obvious to everyone including MM.

Do you think there was a carry over from the end of the first half disagreement between MM and Favre? The reason I ask is that I thought we would see a blow up on the sidelines by Favre in the 2nd half with all of the 3 and outs but he seemed really complacent. In the 1st half he was really animated and was hurrying his O-lineman to he line, etc. What do you think?

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by antiworst:

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Originally posted by Henry:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with him.

So do I.

The only benefit I can see from this game is MM is most likely watching the game and slapping his forehead mumbling, "stupid! stupid! stupid! . . ." I think it was just that obvious to everyone including MM.

Hopefully, he sure didn't seem that way in yestersday press conference, but that was before the team got together to go over the game film. We'll see if he learned anything as the season goes along.

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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The Bears were the hungry team, at least in the second half. The unbeaten Packers were supposedly ready to move to a higher level this season. Uh uh. Sorry, not ready yet. Not tough enough. The Bears out-toughed them. Landry would understand.

I buy this quote.

Yah, but Lombardi would have kicked Halas ass.

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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The Bears were the hungry team, at least in the second half. The unbeaten Packers were supposedly ready to move to a higher level this season. Uh uh. Sorry, not ready yet. Not tough enough. The Bears out-toughed them. Landry would understand.

I buy this quote.

I don't. I think the Bears were extremely fortunate to get a ton of turnovers. How many times do people hit arms or air when they're trying to punch out footballs, and never hit the footballs? Like, what?, 80% of the time? They did it three times! And then Favre threw one of his dumbest passes in recent memory. Those aren't about toughness at all. Throw in our unbelievable ability to have penalties at the worst times, and a couple bad calls by the refs, and I just don't see really anything about toughness at all. People did see that Driver almost had that last touchdown, right? So, if he comes down with that, then the Bears haven't out-toughed us? It's pretty silly.

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Originally posted by antiworst:

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by antiworst:

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Originally posted by Henry:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with him.

So do I.

The only benefit I can see from this game is MM is most likely watching the game and slapping his forehead mumbling, "stupid! stupid! stupid! . . ." I think it was just that obvious to everyone including MM.

Do you think there was a carry over from the end of the first half disagreement between MM and Favre? The reason I ask is that I thought we would see a blow up on the sidelines by Favre in the 2nd half with all of the 3 and outs but he seemed really complacent. In the 1st half he was really animated and was hurrying his O-lineman to he line, etc. What do you think?

I think it may have been part of it. It just seemed like the collective wheels fell off. Spitz having to come in and not being in sync, losing Jennings for a couple of series, Favre and MM crossing signals, just a bevy of little crap that adds up.

Of course, the TO's sucked and all it took was one blown defensive play in a otherwise well played game to sink the ship. Lovie was smart, keep your head down while everything explodes around you.

I agree with Who, and as I said in the other thread, "mindless idiots" is way too strong of language. MM's reasoning was not unsound.

Maybe he was meaning more mental toughness, not physical. I don't think the Bears out-toughed the Pack physically (unless taking the forced turnovers into account), but the Packers coaching did wilt under the pressure in that second half. Favre's boneheaded pass to Urlacher surely ddin't help, but that was a bad play to begin with ... rolling him out when he's on the ten?

While there were many things in this game to upset a Packer fan, there was one play (after watching the game again) that kind of sticks out, at least to me.
The 1st down play after the bone-headed INT and bores TD should have been a pass, IMO. Instead McCarthy took the ball away from Favre and ran it. I don't have a big problem with the runs on 2nd and 3rd as much as the run on 1st. It's not like Favre is some wet behind the ears wide-eyed kid. I think Favre knew he threw a bad pass as soon as he let it go and the best thing would have been to come back out slinging it and take control back.


Tauscher was on with Homer this afternoon and said the O did not execute well in the 2nd half. Believe what you want, but this team is following McCarthy's lead (at least publicly) that the plays called were right and the execution is what was lacking in the 2nd half.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:



Tauscher was on with Homer this afternoon and said the O did not execute well in the 2nd half. Believe what you want, but this team is following McCarthy's lead (at least publicly) that the plays called were right and the execution is what was lacking in the 2nd half.

It's pretty hard to say otherwise. Even on the pass plays over the middle the TE's were out of position or the throw wasn't timed. It just looked bad across the board.

The 3rd and 6 run really drove me nuts.

I have to agree with Dr. Z. MM and the OC need to take some serious heat for this one.

I take a lot of comfort in the fact that the Packers aren't freaking out nearly as much as the fans and "experts".

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Originally posted by who:
I think the Bears were extremely fortunate to get a ton of turnovers. How many times do people hit arms or air when they're trying to punch out footballs, and never hit the footballs? Like, what?, 80% of the time? They did it three times! And then Favre threw one of his dumbest passes in recent memory. Those aren't about toughness at all. Throw in our unbelievable ability to have penalties at the worst times, and a couple bad calls by the refs, and I just don't see really anything about toughness at all. People did see that Driver almost had that last touchdown, right? So, if he comes down with that, then the Bears haven't out-toughed us? It's pretty silly.

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Originally posted by Pistol GB:

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Originally posted by who:
I think the Bears were extremely fortunate to get a ton of turnovers. How many times do people hit arms or air when they're trying to punch out footballs, and never hit the footballs? Like, what?, 80% of the time? They did it three times! And then Favre threw one of his dumbest passes in recent memory. Those aren't about toughness at all. Throw in our unbelievable ability to have penalties at the worst times, and a couple bad calls by the refs, and I just don't see really anything about toughness at all. People did see that Driver almost had that last touchdown, right? So, if he comes down with that, then the Bears haven't out-toughed us? It's pretty silly.

So close yet so far away...

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by antiworst:

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Originally posted by Henry:
Unfortunately, I have to agree with him.

So do I.

The only benefit I can see from this game is MM is most likely watching the game and slapping his forehead mumbling, "stupid! stupid! stupid! . . ." I think it was just that obvious to everyone including MM.

I think they will regroup this week, and then lay one on the Redskins. I kind of expect the Packers to be any angry bunch this week. They should have a pretty good chip on their shoulders this week knowing full well that they can't lose another one after letter a very winnable game slip away.

McCarthy said in his press conference that there are "cover 2 passes" designed to be used against the cover two. I am not as down on McCarthy's playcalling as many are here, but I do wish he would have utilized more of those cover 2 passes before the Bears got the lead. Granted, there were fumble issues with Jones and injury issues with Jennings.

One thing that was so infuriating about Sherman was that he often stuck to his gameplan when it was obvious it wasn't working. Sure, some game plans require commitment to stay with it, but adjustments are made for a reason. While execution was lacking for sure, McCarthy continues to be way too obvious when he is passing the ball and when he is running the ball. Contrast that to 2003 when all opponents KNEW the Packers were going to run the ball out of the U-71 package. The difference was that the Packers running game was so dominant it could run over and through just about anything. Perhaps McCarthy will get the offense back to that point, but for the time being I think he needs to utilize the element of surprise a bit more.