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Here's an interesting take from a former player on the problems with QB competitions:

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I'm curious if it's a real competition or if Mgmt has already selected it's winner.
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I think they have already selected the whiner.
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As I stated in another thread, it doesn't matter if AR is better than Favre in competition. Favre will be the starter opening day unless he gets traded or injured.
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That makes no sense. You start the better player.
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As I stated in another thread, it doesn't matter if AR is better than Favre in competition. Favre will be the starter opening day unless he gets traded or injured.


Why do you think that?
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Originally posted by Gun4Arm:
As I stated in another thread, it doesn't matter if AR is better than Favre in competition. Favre will be the starter opening day unless he gets traded or injured.


Why do you think that?


Who would have been the QB for the Packers had Favre NOT retired? Well guess who's back.
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That makes no sense. You start the better player.


I think in this case you start the bigger whiner. Goodell might require Favre to be the starter.

Seriously, Favre and Goodell basically just screwed MM when it comes to coaching the Packers this year. Favre will throw a fit or do it his way. Remember, "he's Brett Favre".
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I think in this case you start the bigger whiner. Goodell might require Favre to be the starter.

Seriously, Favre and Goodell basically just screwed MM when it comes to coaching the Packers this year. Favre will throw a fit or do it his way. Remember, "he's Brett Favre".

Which is precisely why the Packers should get rid of Ted Thompson. If he would have given an ambiguous answer back in June, then this would all have been moot. Or mute.

Seriously, I was listening to WTMJ today, and Jeff Wagner had callers weigh in on why Brett Favre even bothered to show up last night. You wouldn't believe the callers... many of them said they had no issue with it at all, and that it was probably because he just wanted to watch the game. Yes, Favre with pom pons.... Roll Eyes

He showed up at Family night for one reason: to steal the spotlight and up-stage Thompson, McCarthy, and Rodgers. Brett Favre thinks that without him, the Packers wouldn't be a blip on the map. I am sure that Irv and Reggie are proud of #4...
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One huge advantage you cannot teach a player is experience.

And between AR and Favre, obviously there is no competition who has more. While that alone will not make the difference in winning a QB competition outright, it goes a hell of a long way to Favre being waay ahead before the "competition" even begins.

Couple that with an extremely short turn around times between pre-season games and AR will be forced to prove he is the sounder, better decision-maker, the better thrower, the guy who found more open WR's, the guy who didn't throw the ball away too soon, the guy who led the team on more drives, the guy who the WR's trust more, and on and on and on in a matter of WEEKS.

As much as I would love to see the kid out-perform the future HOF'er, I just can't see that happening.

If Favre is allowed to compete for the starting position, I'll be shocked if #4 isn't the starting QB in week 1 (assuming he isnt traded).
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Some of the comments at x4 lately are just bizarre.

Whomever expects ARod to outperform Favre in the next 3 wks is basing that on gut, emotion, hope, anger, perceived penchant for tallant eval, etc...but not based on any objective evidence IMO.

IMO it's extremely unlikely ARod can beat Favre out this month...or this year for that matter. That stated I realize GB might be better off in 2009 with Rodgers getting the reps as starter.

Still, I'm not going to be upset over what is likely a superior player at QB for GB in 2008...one who could for the first time since the Brunell era be pulled if having an awful game.


There is no QB competition and I don't know who really expects Rodgers to win the job. If it happens or is even close all the better...
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Whomever expects ARod to outperform Favre in the next 3 wks is basing that on gut, emotion, hope, anger, perceived penchant for tallant eval, etc...but not based on any objective evidence IMO.

There is no evidence because they have never compteted for the position before. It's Favre's experience versus Rodgers' youth and athleticism.

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Still, I'm not going to be upset over what is likely a superior player at QB for GB in 2008...one who could for the first time since the Brunell era be pulled if having an awful game.

It seems like a reasonable prediction. And I hope it happens.
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I think in this case you start the bigger whiner. Goodell might require Favre to be the starter.

Seriously, Favre and Goodell basically just screwed MM when it comes to coaching the Packers this year. Favre will throw a fit or do it his way. Remember, "he's Brett Favre".

Which is precisely why the Packers should get rid of Ted Thompson. If he would have given an ambiguous answer back in June, then this would all have been moot. Or mute.

Seriously, I was listening to WTMJ today, and Jeff Wagner had callers weigh in on why Brett Favre even bothered to show up last night. You wouldn't believe the callers... many of them said they had no issue with it at all, and that it was probably because he just wanted to watch the game. Yes, Favre with pom pons.... Roll Eyes

He showed up at Family night for one reason: to steal the spotlight and up-stage Thompson, McCarthy, and Rodgers. Brett Favre thinks that without him, the Packers wouldn't be a blip on the map. I am sure that Irv and Reggie are proud of #4...


I don't know why TT should get the boot considering it doesn't look like he had much of a choice.
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TT get the boot? After doing all that he's done for the franchise? In Milwaukee they've annointed Melvin the king for an 83-79 season with more talent than 20 teams in baseball.
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If Favre can keep an entire franchise from moving in its preferred direction, then starting on opening day should be a piece of cake. Besides, do you think his buddy Goodell will let that consecutive games streak end?

All this fuss for this?

Playoff wins in the past 10 years: Brett Favre - 3
Playoff wins last January/February: Eli Manning - 4
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Originally posted by Music City:
There is no evidence because they have never compteted for the position before. It's Favre's experience versus Rodgers' youth and athleticism.


Youth and athleticism can be overcome by age and treachery.
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...is that one of them will win?

Oh wait, that's elections.
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If Favre can keep an entire franchise from moving in its preferred direction, then starting on opening day should be a piece of cake. Besides, do you think his buddy Goodell will let that consecutive games streak end?

All this fuss for this?

Playoff wins in the past 10 years: Brett Favre - 3
Playoff wins last January/February: Eli Manning - 4


Okay, let me see if I have this straight....

Sherman alone destroyed team talent and let Favre run the joint while not keeping him in the "system" even though Green Bay had a top offense and a flagging defense....

Yet Favre alone was responsible for all those losses including the entire 12 in 2005 with a gutted and injured roster as well as Dallas, Chicago and the Giants this year......

And Favre had very little to do with any of the wins because it's a team game, especially the playoff win after Grant's fumblefest......

So he's not allowed to change his mind about wanting to play a game that he still excels at.....

And should bow to whatever management wants because that's what everyone should do in a work conflict situation....

While ignoring what he wants or his own best interests.....

And Roger Goodell should thumb his nose at the CBA and not reinstate a player not under suspense.....

And TT did everything perfectly in this whole mess.....

And Favre is the only gigantic ego involved in this.....

Is that about right?
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Originally posted by heyward:
If Favre can keep an entire franchise from moving in its preferred direction, then starting on opening day should be a piece of cake. Besides, do you think his buddy Goodell will let that consecutive games streak end?

All this fuss for this?

Playoff wins in the past 10 years: Brett Favre - 3
Playoff wins last January/February: Eli Manning - 4


Okay, let me see if I have this straight....

Sherman alone destroyed team talent and let Favre run the joint while not keeping him in the "system" even though Green Bay had a top offense and a flagging defense....

Yet Favre alone was responsible for all those losses including the entire 12 in 2005 with a gutted and injured roster as well as Dallas, Chicago and the Giants this year......

And Favre had very little to do with any of the wins because it's a team game, especially the playoff win after Grant's fumblefest......

So he's not allowed to change his mind about wanting to play a game that he still excels at.....

And should bow to whatever management wants because that's what everyone should do in a work conflict situation....

While ignoring what he wants or his own best interests.....

And Roger Goodell should thumb his nose at the CBA and not reinstate a player not under suspense.....

And TT did everything perfectly in this whole mess.....

And Favre is the only gigantic ego involved in this.....

Is that about right?


Nice to see you agree.
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And Favre had very little to do with any of the wins because it's a team game, especially the playoff win after Grant's fumblefest......


nice to see you forgot to add Grant's 201 yards which was a Packer playoff record and 3 scores but I'm sure Brett handing off made the difference? Roll Eyes Objectivity...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322414,00.html

Notice good ol' boy's comments...
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And Favre had very little to do with any of the wins because it's a team game, especially the playoff win after Grant's fumblefest......


nice to see you forgot to add Grant's 201 yards which was a Packer playoff record and 3 scores but I'm sure Brett handing off made the difference? Roll Eyes Objectivity...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322414,00.html

Notice good ol' boy's comments...


I respect Favre. Even as a Viking fan. But you do have to admit that Grant very much benefited from the Play Action that Favre brought to the game. Defenses were so worried about his passing ability they never dropped 8 in the box.

AD had to deal with 8 in the box for the last 8-10 games at least.

Do you think an opposing defence was worried about Tjack throwing?

Think about the difference here.....
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Aaron Rodgers, as the #1 QB in camp will be allowed to throw to Donald Driver, Greg Jennings and James Jones. Favre, as the #2 will throw to Ruvell Martin, Jordy Nelson and Brett Swain.

Rodgers will have the starting front line protecting him. Favre can have the scrubs.

If Favre can outplay Rodgers under these circumstances and show it in exhibition games he can have the starting job. Is it unfair? Heck, Rodgers has had to try to win the job himself the last 3 seasons under these conditions.
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