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Originally posted by Henry:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Limburger:

Back yon in the the days of yore, Goalline was the Jamal Reynolds guru. You couldn't get into a discussion with the guy without the term "body lean" coming up.

Just spoke with one of my South Carolina buddies. He still has it, that amazing body lean, only now he uses it to fix the plumbing for his wife.

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Originally posted by Satori:
"**** *** *** ******* ********"

I believe the literal translation is "Go take a dump in the ocean." But then again, I don't speak fluent asterisk.

HINT :

The 2nd and 3rd words are both "you"

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Originally posted by Satori:
HINT :

The 2nd and 3rd words are both "you"

Derogatory verb, pronoun, pronoun, derogatory adjective, derogatory noun.

Do I win a prize?

I think the second word is ewe.

I thought the second word was Yow.

mike mcCarthy must of change his mind alot about Rodgers he didnt feel that way before the draft when he was with san francisco

He's steve youngish.

but with hair

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"Aaron's at the top of every list," McCarthy said, "

So this is all on paper. Means absolutely nothing until it's done on the field.

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Originally posted by swan9:
mike mcCarthy must of change his mind alot about Rodgers he didnt feel that way before the draft when he was with san francisco

How do you know? Did he say that publicly (I don't remember)? He wasn't the one drafting guys. His role in the draft was probably to help with interviews and give reccomendations....for all we know he wanted Rodgers and management felt different. Who knows.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:

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Originally posted by swan9:
mike mcCarthy must of change his mind alot about Rodgers he didnt feel that way before the draft when he was with san francisco

How do you know? Did he say that publicly (I don't remember)? He wasn't the one drafting guys. His role in the draft was probably to help with interviews and give reccomendations....for all we know he wanted Rodgers and management felt different. Who knows.

I'd have to dig up the article, if I can find it, but I distinctly recall MM was involved heavily in the selection of Alex Smith whom he preferred over Rodgers. If I recall correctly it had to do with Smith's athleticism. Maybe, it was his intelligence...the kid scored a whopping 42 on the Wonderlic.

First, this from Packers.com which speaks to MM underestimating Rodgers athleticism which is what I remember being the reason behind MM being for Alex Smith...

http://www.packers.com/news/stories/2008/04/02/3/


I came across this online which is opposite from what I remember reading elsewhere...

According to a Sporting News article within their War Room, San Francisco 49ers head coach Mike Nolan has all but made up his mind that former Utah quarterback Alex Smith should be the top pick in the 2005 NFL Draft. He feels that Smith has a bigger upside than former Cal quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

However, there may be some division among the coaching staff when it comes to the top pick. Sporting News goes on to state that offensive coordinator Mike McCarthy would prefer that the team pick Rodgers. He feels that while Smith may have a bigger upside, he may also have a bigger downside if he doesn't develop to his full potential. McCarthy likes what he sees in Rodgers at this point in his development.

Contradicting this, an ESPN rumor today stated that the chances of the 49ers picking Rodgers number one may have shot up to about 90%. This follows negotiations between the team and Rodgers' agent, Mike Sullivan, on Wednesday. It is said the 49ers feel that a deal with Rodgers might cost less than one with Alex Smith. The team came away feeling that they could get a deal with Rodgers done. Smith's agent, Tom Condon, will be in San Francisco today to have his first negotiating session.

Please note that as the draft quickly approaches, speculation will fly. There have been many reports so far that contradict each other.

Smith and Rodgers have been battling it out for the right to be the top pick in the NFL Draft. It is more likely that the 49ers will take one of these quarterbacks rather than wide receiver Braylon Edwards or cornerback Antrel Rolle. All four have visited the team within the last week.

There is some concern towards both quarterbacks. While Rodgers worked in a similar offense at Cal, there is the concern that his motions are too mechanical and that he stares down receivers before passing the ball. That could lead to a number of interceptions in the NFL. As for Smith, the offense he worked under at Utah was vastly different and there is some concern that he may float too many of his passes. However, Smith does have better size than Rogers.

Here's what I was looking for...

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=384518

McCarthy directed the NFL's poorest offense this season in San Francisco, where four starting quarterbacks compiled a passer rating of 53.6. One of them, Alex Smith, was the first pick in the draft after McCarthy rated him above Aaron Rodgers.

"(Rodgers) definitely has a chance," McCarthy said in November. "He has ability. But I always have a problem with guys who have not played a lot. You worry whether they're one-year wonders.

"I thought he was a real good football player. I think he went where he was supposed to go. I think it was a good pick for them. We just didn't look at him as the first pick. We're happy with the guy we drafted."

I don't know if we'll ever really know who McCarthy preferred at the time. Once the pick was made, he's not going to throw Nolan/the 49ers under the bus by saying he'd always preferred Rodgers.

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Originally posted by Max:
I don't know if we'll ever really know who McCarthy preferred at the time. Once the pick was made, he's not going to throw Nolan/the 49ers under the bus by saying he'd always preferred Rodgers.

I agree with that. The way MM goes about his biz makes me wonder if he isn't a bit of a "yes man". I don't ever foresee him stepping out of what would be expected from someone who promotes the company line.

TT said when he hired him he thought he could work with him. Now, I wonder if he meant that he had a guy who would be supportive regardless of what his own thoughts were.

My feeling is it seems fairly certain that MM preferred Alex Smith as did most people. Looks like most got that one way wrong.

Yeah, from everything I've read, it seem that McCarthy liked Smith better simply due to a perception that Smith had a bigger upside potential than Rodgers because he was more athletic. Now that McCarthy has worked with Aaron he's sort of admitted that his analysis may have been a bit off the mark.

As far as McCarthy being a "yes man", I don't really get that feeling. I think he and Ted really agree philosophically when it comes to building the franchise and I also feel like they have a great degree of trust in each other's opinions.

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by Max:
I don't know if we'll ever really know who McCarthy preferred at the time. Once the pick was made, he's not going to throw Nolan/the 49ers under the bus by saying he'd always preferred Rodgers.

I agree with that. The way MM goes about his biz makes me wonder if he isn't a bit of a "yes man". I don't ever foresee him stepping out of what would be expected from someone who promotes the company line.

TT said when he hired him he thought he could work with him. Now, I wonder if he meant that he had a guy who would be supportive regardless of what his own thoughts were.

I don't think that's fair. What would the point be of publicly calling out his head coach or GM? What's important is that he expressed his honest opinion in private, to Nolan/Ted Thompson personally, at the time. I don't care if he lies to the media; I'd respect that much more than him saying after the fact, "Nolan wanted Smith; I liked Rodgers better" -- even if that were true.

Seriously, I don't think TT would want a head coach who's just a yes-man, either. I mean, obviously the GM gets the final word, but you'd think he'd value a coach who voices a dissenting opinion -- again, in private -- if he has one.

Edit: By the way, it's a little early for anyone to say that any assessment of Smith as a better NFL quarterback than Rodgers is incorrect. Even though some here are more than ready to do so. Maybe neither guy will be any good.

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Originally posted by Max:

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Originally posted by Change of Possession:

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Originally posted by Max:
I don't know if we'll ever really know who McCarthy preferred at the time. Once the pick was made, he's not going to throw Nolan/the 49ers under the bus by saying he'd always preferred Rodgers.

I agree with that. The way MM goes about his biz makes me wonder if he isn't a bit of a "yes man". I don't ever foresee him stepping out of what would be expected from someone who promotes the company line.

TT said when he hired him he thought he could work with him. Now, I wonder if he meant that he had a guy who would be supportive regardless of what his own thoughts were.

I don't think that's fair. What would the point be of publicly calling out his head coach or GM? What's important is that he expressed his honest opinion in private, to Nolan/Ted Thompson personally, at the time. I don't care if he lies to the media; I'd respect that much more than him saying after the fact, "Nolan wanted Smith; I liked Rodgers better" -- even if that were true.

Seriously, I don't think TT would want a head coach who's just a yes-man, either. I mean, obviously the GM gets the final word, but you'd think he'd value a coach who voices a dissenting opinion -- again, in private -- if he has one.

Edit: By the way, it's a little early for anyone to say that any assessment of Smith as a better NFL quarterback than Rodgers is incorrect. Even though some here are more than ready to do so. Maybe neither guy will be any good.

It probably is a bit harsh but I do have my doubts about MM. It's no secret I'm not his biggest fan.

Every once in awhile it's nice to see a Coach say something you know is not going to make "management" happy. I loved Ozzie Guillen calling out Kenny Williams...that's great stuff. I noticed the Sox are on fire of late. I think shaking up the status quo is needed from time to time. It doesn't always work out like that but sometimes people need to say things. We didn't need it last year because everything worked out pretty well save for the last game.

My comment on Alex Smith was more along the lines that he's a bust...Rodgers could be but they took Smith because they thought he was "better". If they prove to be equally terrible they still got it wrong because Smith would not be better than Aaron Rodgers. I do wonder how Smith would perform if he was a Packer instead of a Niner...situation can be everything. Favre may have been nothing had he not been traded to Green Bay.

They key is Rodgers has had time to develop. Only a handfull of QB's are successfull out of the gate. Rodgers was pretty unimpressive his first couple years but it looks like he has come around.

MM has said he didn't realize how athletic Rodgers was until he spent time with him in Green Bay. I think that is what tipped him to Smith in that draft.

If MM was still Smith's coach, I suspect he would be a much better QB.

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...but they took Smith because they thought he was "better".

I'm not sure they took Smith because they thought he was better but more because they thought he could get better. I read many articles at the time that seemed to say the 49ers had Rodgers and Smith rated essentially the same but that Smith had the greater potential to grow due to superior athletic ability. Whereas the feeling with Rodgers was that he had almost reached his full potential and without the great athletic ability, he wouldn't have that type of upside. They took a risk that hasn't paid off well so far but it sure would be interesting to see how Smith would have progressed with the Packers and Rodgers with the 9ers if the draft was reversed.

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Originally posted by MsPacman:

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...but they took Smith because they thought he was "better".

I'm not sure they took Smith because they thought he was better but more because they thought he could get better. I read many articles at the time that seemed to say the 49ers had Rodgers and Smith rated essentially the same but that Smith had the greater potential to grow due to superior athletic ability. Whereas the feeling with Rodgers was that he had almost reached his full potential and without the great athletic ability, he wouldn't have that type of upside. They took a risk that hasn't paid off well so far but it sure would be interesting to see how Smith would have progressed with the Packers and Rodgers with the 9ers if the draft was reversed.

Excellent point. The Colts chose Manning because he was the more ready of the two... Apparently, the Niners took the "Ryan Leaf" between Rodgers and Smith.