MMA is too technical for the average boxing fan to understand.

Slice is a media creation plain and simple. He got worked by a slug last night.

MMA is flat out stupid.

Basically it is the new age WWF made for the below average intellect.


If you want to watch a fight, just go downtown. Stupid.

Your entitled to your opinion, but your tone shows your intellect!

UFC is the major leagues of MMA. Anybody watching that crap on CBS shouldn't judge all MMA that way.

Seriously, that was double-A ball compared to UFC.

Told you guys Kimbo Slice wasn't anything special. I think Lesnar would cream the guy and Lesnar isn't even that good.

Of course anything worth watching regarding MMA isn't ever going to be on "free" tv.

If you want to see a show, Watch the UFC PPV in 2 months on July 5th. Headliner is Rampage Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin.

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Originally posted by Boris:
If you want to see a show, Watch the UFC PPV in 2 months on July 5th. Headliner is Rampage Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin.

Other than the main event and maybe the Koscheck/Lytle fight, I really don't see many other matches on that card that look very interesting.

I used to PPV every UFC but now only probably do one about every six months because their cards just don't have that many great matchups. The last one I did watch was very recent and I was very happy with the event. They had Penn, Sherk, WANDERLEI, Jardine, Ortiz, Machida all on that card and all of those fights had intrigue associated with them. Unfortunately, the UFC manages to put a card like that together only about once a year these days. It sucks that the top organization in the world generally only has one top 10 vs. top 10 matchup any maybe one or two other top 10 fighters appearing on a PPV event.

It's not like the old days with PRIDE where you generally had about 8 top 10 fighters appearing at every show. Now that was good stuff. One thing that no long-time MMA fan would ever debate is that the Japanese are about a million times better than the Americans when it comes down to putting together a good fight show.

The other major criticism I have about the UFC is that their heavyweight division is total garbage outside of Big Nog. You look at MMA Weekly's top 10 ranking and with Sylvia gone, Couture as good as gone and Arlovski with maybe one more fight and then gone...and the UFC will only have 3 of the top 10 ranked heavyweights in the world (#2 - Big Nog, #7 - Werdum, #8 - Gonzaga). If you are the top MMA organization in the world, you should have a stronger heavyweight division than they have.

I think the Affliction card on July 19th looks better than 90% of the UFC cards I've seen over the last 5 years:

-Fedor Emelianenko vs. Tim Sylvia
-Josh Barnett vs. Pedro Rizzo
-Matt Lindland vs. Fabio Negao
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs. Mike Whitehead
-Ben Rothwell vs. TBA
-Aleksander Emelianenko vs. Paul Buentello
-Trenell "Savant" Young vs. Mark Hominick
-Justin Levens vs. Ray Lazama
-Mike Pyle vs. Brett Cooper
-J.J. Ambrose vs. Patrick Speight

The Fedor/Sylvia might be bigger than any heavyweight fight the UFC has had since Couture/Barnett and that happened YEARS ago. Josh Barnett is one of the five best heavyweights in the world. Matt Lindland is one of the top five middleweights in the world but isn't ranked anywhere because he has rarely fought over the last few years. Aleksander Emelianenko is a top 10 heavyweight and Buentello is a quality opponent. Pedro Rizzo is an MMA legend. Sobral, Whitehead and Pyle are all very good fighters.

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Originally posted by Boris:
Headliner is Rampage Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin.

Rampage his real name?

I think I may just give UFC a chance. I need violence in my life. Thanks to the internet I get plenty of sex, thank you very much.

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Originally posted by nerdmann:

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Originally posted by Ghost of Lambeau:

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Originally posted by Max:
I can honestly say I don't have the foggiest idea what MMA even stands for. Nor do I know if Kimbo is a man, woman, vegetable, or mineral.

Where I work, MMA stands for Multi Maritime Aircraft. But something tells me that may not be what they are talking about here.

I think it's Mixed Martial Arts, but I'm no expert.

Thanks!

Now that I'm on the same page, I can honestly say I have no interest.

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Originally posted by PackerJoe:

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Originally posted by Boris:
If you want to see a show, Watch the UFC PPV in 2 months on July 5th. Headliner is Rampage Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin.

Other than the main event and maybe the Koscheck/Lytle fight, I really don't see many other matches on that card that look very interesting.

Patrick Cote Vs. Ricardo Almeida
Joe Stevenson Vs. Gleison Tibau

Both those fights should be excellent along with the 2 you mentioned.

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Originally posted by PackerJoe:

I think the Affliction card on July 19th looks better than 90% of the UFC cards I've seen over the last 5 years:

-Fedor Emelianenko vs. Tim Sylvia
-Josh Barnett vs. Pedro Rizzo
-Matt Lindland vs. Fabio Negao
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs. Mike Whitehead
-Ben Rothwell vs. TBA
-Aleksander Emelianenko vs. Paul Buentello
-Trenell "Savant" Young vs. Mark Hominick
-Justin Levens vs. Ray Lazama
-Mike Pyle vs. Brett Cooper
-J.J. Ambrose vs. Patrick Speight

Tim Sylvia is just a big stupid looking no talent/no showmanship fighter. Lindland is done & so is Babalu. Pedro Rizzo is decent but that's about it. The other 6 fights are like...."WHO?!??!??!?!"

You think THAT card is better than July 5th?? Well that makes one I guess.

I've been watching UFC since 1997. I've seen it all. That July 19th card can't hold a candle to the July 5th one.

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Originally posted by Boris:

Tim Sylvia is just a big stupid looking no talent/no showmanship fighter.

Stupid? He must be a gunslinger.

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Originally posted by Goalline:
Rampage his real name?

It's Quintin "Rampage" Jackson. Many fighters use nicknames just as boxers.

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Originally posted by Boris:

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Originally posted by PackerJoe:

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Originally posted by Boris:
If you want to see a show, Watch the UFC PPV in 2 months on July 5th. Headliner is Rampage Jackson vs. Forrest Griffin.

Other than the main event and maybe the Koscheck/Lytle fight, I really don't see many other matches on that card that look very interesting.

Patrick Cote Vs. Ricardo Almeida
Joe Stevenson Vs. Gleison Tibau

Both those fights should be excellent along with the 2 you mentioned.

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Originally posted by PackerJoe:

I think the Affliction card on July 19th looks better than 90% of the UFC cards I've seen over the last 5 years:

-Fedor Emelianenko vs. Tim Sylvia
-Josh Barnett vs. Pedro Rizzo
-Matt Lindland vs. Fabio Negao
-Renato "Babalu" Sobral vs. Mike Whitehead
-Ben Rothwell vs. TBA
-Aleksander Emelianenko vs. Paul Buentello
-Trenell "Savant" Young vs. Mark Hominick
-Justin Levens vs. Ray Lazama
-Mike Pyle vs. Brett Cooper
-J.J. Ambrose vs. Patrick Speight

Tim Sylvia is just a big stupid looking no talent/no showmanship fighter. Lindland is done & so is Babalu. Pedro Rizzo is decent but that's about it. The other 6 fights are like...."WHO?!??!??!?!"

You think THAT card is better than July 5th?? Well that makes one I guess.

I've been watching UFC since 1997. I've seen it all. That July 19th card can't hold a candle to the July 5th one.

So you've never heard of Ben Rothwell, Aleksander Emelianenko, Paul Buentello, Justin Levens, Mike Pyle, etc? Interesting that you say that Rizzo is decent by Lindland is done, if anything it should be the other way around.

I believe you've probably been watching the UFC since 1997, but apparently you haven't been watching anything else in the world of MMA. After Arlovski leaves the UFC, which is just about to happen, there will literally be more top 10 ranked heavyweights on the Affliction card (4 - both Emelianenko's, Barnett and Sylvia) than will be on the UFC's entire roster of fighters (3 - Big Nog, Werdum, Gonzaga).

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Originally posted by Goalline:

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Originally posted by Boris:

Tim Sylvia is just a big stupid looking no talent/no showmanship fighter.

Stupid? He must be a gunslinger.

I thought the best match of the night was about half-way through the program, I don't know the names, they looked to be around 150-160 lbs and very athletic,
the match was stopped when one of the fighters was poked in the eye.
As far as the coverage I think cbs wasted too much tyme between the matches.
Also don't know the difference between MMA and UFC but clearly there is an audiance for the sport, out here in Charter country they have UFC matches on
Spike channel every friday nite.

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Originally posted by skully:
I thought the best match of the night was about half-way through the program, I don't know the names, they looked to be around 150-160 lbs and very athletic, the match was stopped when one of the fighters was poked in the eye.

That was "Ruthless" Robbie Lawler vs. Scott Smith. Lawler is a former UFC fighter. Now you know why the match was good (before the accidental poke in the eye). As I said before the UFC fighters are generally unmatched in their technique & skill. However.....

If you watched Vs. (Versus) over the weekend, (WEC) you saw 2 fantastic fights with lower weighted contestants. One of which was former UFC fighter (Jens "Little Evil" Pulver) not being able to match the "California Kid" Urijah Faber. That was a great fight! Also Miguel Torres vs. Yoshiro Maeda. 2 bantamweight fighters were excellent fights.

Don't listen to Packer Joe that the UFC sucks because they don't have the Heavyweights. PJ has no idea what he is talking about. The best fights have always been lightweight, middleweight & light heavyweight (205 pounds). BJ Penn, Georges St. Pierre & a great division of Lt. Heavyweights including Rampage Jackson & Forrest Griffin is where the fantastic technique & skill of MMA is on display for some excellent entertainment value. Once you see it you will be hooked. I promise you the UFC league is the "NFL" of MMA.

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Originally posted by skully:
As far as the coverage I think cbs wasted too much tyme between the matches.
Also don't know the difference between MMA and UFC but clearly there is an audiance for the sport, out here in Charter country they have UFC matches on
Spike channel every friday nite.

UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) is MMA at it's finest. Back in 1997 when I started watching it, the PPV cost $24.95. Now it's $44.95. ($54.95 if you order in high def) That should tell you all you need to know about how much the viewer-ship has grown. You won't receive that kind of increase unless you have a great product to put on display. Get some friends together, knock back a couple cold ones and chip in to get the PPV on July 5th. You won't be disappointed.

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Originally posted by Boris:

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Originally posted by skully:
I thought the best match of the night was about half-way through the program, I don't know the names, they looked to be around 150-160 lbs and very athletic, the match was stopped when one of the fighters was poked in the eye.

That was "Ruthless" Robbie Lawler vs. Scott Smith. Lawler is a former UFC fighter. Now you know why the match was good (before the accidental poke in the eye). As I said before the UFC fighters are generally unmatched in their technique & skill. However.....

If you watched Vs. (Versus) over the weekend, (WEC) you saw 2 fantastic fights with lower weighted contestants. One of which was former UFC fighter (Jens "Little Evil" Pulver) not being able to match the "California Kid" Urijah Faber. That was a great fight! Also Miguel Torres vs. Yoshiro Maeda. 2 bantamweight fighters were excellent fights.

Don't listen to Packer Joe that the UFC sucks because they don't have the Heavyweights. PJ has no idea what he is talking about. The best fights have always been lightweight, middleweight & light heavyweight (205 pounds). BJ Penn, Georges St. Pierre & a great division of Lt. Heavyweights including Rampage Jackson & Forrest Griffin is where the fantastic technique & skill of MMA is on display for some excellent entertainment value. Once you see it you will be hooked. I promise you the UFC league is the "NFL" of MMA.

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Originally posted by skully:
As far as the coverage I think cbs wasted too much tyme between the matches.
Also don't know the difference between MMA and UFC but clearly there is an audiance for the sport, out here in Charter country they have UFC matches on
Spike channel every friday nite.

UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) is MMA at it's finest. Back in 1997 when I started watching it, the PPV cost $24.95. Now it's $44.95. ($54.95 if you order in high def) That should tell you all you need to know about how much the viewer-ship has grown. You won't receive that kind of increase unless you have a great product to put on display. Get some friends together, knock back a couple cold ones and chip in to get the PPV on July 5th. You won't be disappointed.

I didn't say the UFC sucks. I did say some of their upcoming cards suck AND their heavyweight division is terrible. That doesn't mean that all of their events suck, after all I indicated that I found the recent Penn/Sherk PPV a very good show. I also am not saying that the UFC lacks many top fighters, as certainly their light-heavyweight roster is amazing. My problem with this UFC is this. For being the "premier" MMA organization in the world, they could put more ranked fighters on their PPV cards. Just three or four years ago, it was not uncommon to see PRIDE have 3 top 10 versus top 10 matchups on a card and as many as 9 to 10 ranked fighters in one event. On many UFC PPV's you get one top 10 versus top 10 matchup and maybe 1 or 2 other ranked fighters. Look at that recent card with Penn/Sherk, Wanderlei/Jardine, Machida/Ortiz...now that is a fight card worth $45! But look at some of their upcoming cards. UFC 85 has one top 10 versus top 10 matchup plus 2 other ranked fighters. UFC 86 has one top 10 versus top 10 matchup plus 2 other ranked fighters. UFC 87 has one top 10 versus top 10 matchup plus 1 other ranked fighter (although the Herring/Lesner matchup is interesting). Meanwhile you have upstart promotions that can stick the top heavyweight in the world on the card...and have just as many ranked fighters as a normal UFC card.

The UFC have some great talent on their roster, but I definitely feel that they could give the fans a lot better value for their $45 than they do. The Penn/Sherk, Wanderlei/Jardine, Ortiz/Machida card is a good demonstration of that. If they put cards like that together everytime, you wouldn't hear much complaining from me.

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Originally posted by nerdmann:

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Originally posted by Blair Kiel:

Why do Nazis get such a bad rap around here?

Nazis get a bad rap around here?

Because the German language and rapping just aren't a working combination.

Baby erhielt zurück

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Originally posted by PackerJoe:
The UFC have some great talent on their roster, but I definitely feel that they could give the fans a lot better value for their $45 than they do. The Penn/Sherk, Wanderlei/Jardine, Ortiz/Machida card is a good demonstration of that. If they put cards like that together everytime, you wouldn't hear much complaining from me.

I agree the UFC has "watered down" their product with having a PPV every month or more. My friends & I have discussed this at length. 7-10 years ago having our UFC party was an event. It happened once every 3-4 months. Now we still only get together when there is a great card (like UFC 84) we won't be getting 85. UFC 85 should be free on Spike not a PPV.

If you want to see some history of what PJ & I are discussing take a look at (Google) UFC 40. (Nov. 2002) That card was phenomenal & I was there live in Vegas at the MGM Grand. Tickets only cost me $100 a seat.

UFC 40!!

Take a look at THIS card!

# Ken Shamrock vs Tito Ortiz
# Chuck Liddell vs Renato "Babalu" Sobral
# Matt Hughes vs Gil Castillo
# Carlos Newton vs Pete Spratt
# Robbie Lawler vs Tiki Ghosn
# Andrei Orlovski vs Ian Freeman

They don't put cards like that together anymore!

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Originally posted by TimthePackerFan:

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Originally posted by nerdmann:

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Originally posted by Blair Kiel:

Why do Nazis get such a bad rap around here?

Nazis get a bad rap around here?

Because the German language and rapping just aren't a working combination.

Baby erhielt zurück

Obviously not a fan of Kraftwerk. Their rapping is köstlich.

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