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Originally posted by DantheMan:
My rankings would be:
1. McCarthy
2. Del Rio
3. Crennel
4. Gruden
5. Billy B.

Switch Crennel and Del Rio and I agree.

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Originally posted by grbaypack:
It's a complete scam if MM doesn't win it.

I'm usually not a homer when it comes to votes like this and the PB. In this case how can MM not win it.

Youngest team, no one saw them coming...NE was pegged or the SB before the summer was over. I'm with grbaypack on this one.

RC in Cleveland should get a few votes as well.

McCarthy has done one of the great coaching jobs of all-time, but I'd be pleasantly surprised if he gets the award. For some reason, he continues to fly under the radar. By this time a year ago, Payton and Mangini were already being bronzed for Canton.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
What I meant by cool under pressure is that when the game is on the line, in late game drives, Brady rarely makes the dumb throws that seal the fate of his team. He seems to stay more under control than guys like Favre or Steve Young or even Manning.

I'm not a Brady basher, but he got picked at the end of both the Chargers and Colts playoff games last year. The Colts one lost the game, the Chargers one would have except the guy who picked it off proceeded to fumble it back to the Pats.

Great QB, but not as infallible as he's made out to be. One could argue he fumbled late against the Raiders during their first Super Bowl run, though I guess technically he didn't.

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:
Yes, Brady is a good QB, but in all fairness throwing jumpballs to Moss doesn't mean much in terms of ability. If that was the case Cunningham and FumblePepper would be HOF candidates.

Jump balls has hardly been the the basis of the Patriots offense over the past several years. He was winning with Deion Branch, Troy Brown, etc.

If you believe in Power Rankings, here is the preseason version, which I believe came out just before the first game of the regular season.
Preseason Power Rankings

Pats are #1, Packers are ranked 24th. The comment is interesting, considering how the season has gone:

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Justin Harrell may be a good player, but why not get Brett Favre some playmakers instead of supplementing a defense that returns 11 starters?

But hey, Justin may start this week!

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Brady is very sound in his decision making and is the coolest QB ever under pressure.

3 of the past 4 weeks Brady has been pressured and not looked very cool.

Exactly. He's an average to above-average QB on the best team in the NFL over the past several years. The Packers would be hard-pressed to finished 8-8 this season with Brady at the helm. He's simply not in the elite class that Favre is, likely never will be, and I don't care what the media says.

If World Championship rings were the only criteria for determining QB greatness then Bart Starr would be four times greater than Brett Favre. The NFL is truly a team game. Brady and Starr benefited greatly from having an elite cast around them. You can see it this year with Brady's production. Watch the games he plays "great" in and he's just sitting back there with all day to find an open wide receiver. In his not so good games he's been hit and under pressure, looking like any other mediocre NFL QB does in that situation.

And as far as Brady's play in those Super Bowls, he's been just mediocre. You can make a case for Adam Viniaterri or others on that team being more vital to those wins than Brady.

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Originally posted by BadgerzFan:

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Brady is very sound in his decision making and is the coolest QB ever under pressure.

3 of the past 4 weeks Brady has been pressured and not looked very cool.

Exactly. He's an average to above-average QB on the best team in the NFL over the past several years.

Brady is better than an above-average QB.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
What I meant by cool under pressure is that when the game is on the line, in late game drives, Brady rarely makes the dumb throws that seal the fate of his team. He seems to stay more under control than guys like Favre or Steve Young or even Manning.

With the game on the line he does play well - as long as he is not getting pressured. Put some heat on him and he struggles a bit.

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:
Yes, Brady is a good QB, but in all fairness throwing jumpballs to Moss doesn't mean much in terms of ability. If that was the case Cunningham and FumblePepper would be HOF candidates.

Oh yeah, I forgot Moss has been in NE for several years now.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by BadgerzFan:

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Brady is very sound in his decision making and is the coolest QB ever under pressure.

3 of the past 4 weeks Brady has been pressured and not looked very cool.

Exactly. He's an average to above-average QB on the best team in the NFL over the past several years.

Brady is better than an above-average QB.

No he isn't. He is below average. I mean, how many times are his receivers asked to catch a ball when they are open? I would be more impressed if he would ignore the open receivers and force completions to tightly covered WRs. Brady sucks.

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
What I meant by cool under pressure is that when the game is on the line, in late game drives, Brady rarely makes the dumb throws that seal the fate of his team. He seems to stay more under control than guys like Favre or Steve Young or even Manning.

Put some heat on him and he struggles a bit.

Him and virtually any other QB in NFL history.

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Originally posted by CHEEZE:

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Originally posted by Hungry5:

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
What I meant by cool under pressure is that when the game is on the line, in late game drives, Brady rarely makes the dumb throws that seal the fate of his team. He seems to stay more under control than guys like Favre or Steve Young or even Manning.

Put some heat on him and he struggles a bit.

Him and virtually any other QB in NFL history.

Joe Montana on the game winning drive against the Bengals in the Superbowl, threw the ugliest pass I have ever seen. Open receivers and he threw it right to the late Lewis Billups, the Bengals CB. Fortunately for him Billups choked and dropped the ball. The press hailed Montana as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

BTW, what is so great about sliced bread?

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Originally posted by Max:

I'm not a Brady basher, but he got picked at the end of both the Chargers and Colts playoff games last year. The Colts one lost the game, the Chargers one would have except the guy who picked it off proceeded to fumble it back to the Pats.

Good point, I forgot about that. Back to back weeks. I still think he is the best late game QB in the NFL right now. He rarely pulls the BONEHEAD!!! moves that lose games.

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Exactly. He's an average to above-average QB on the best team in the NFL over the past several years. The Packers would be hard-pressed to finished 8-8 this season with Brady at the helm. He's simply not in the elite class that Favre is, likely never will be, and I don't care what the media says.

Personal attacks on other posters are not to be tolerated from anyone.

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Originally posted by Goalline:
BTW, what is so great about sliced bread?

It is great because it is no longer un-sliced.

Back on topic. McCarthy is greater than sliced bread. Chuck Norris looks up to McCarthy.

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Originally posted by DeepChicago:

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Originally posted by The Artist fka TD:
Yes, Brady is a good QB, but in all fairness throwing jumpballs to Moss doesn't mean much in terms of ability. If that was the case Cunningham and FumblePepper would be HOF candidates.

Oh yeah, I forgot Moss has been in NE for several years now.

Yeah, his league leading stats have nothing to do with Brady's. Tell me again how good Spurtslacker and Grobesman are.

http://www.nfl.com/players/tombrady/profile?id=BRA371156 check out his career stats. Moss has nothing to do with this years.