I was watching a show on National Geographic Tuesday night. It was about a large group of people who believe NASA and the Government faked the entire moon landing.

I guess I never realized there was such a group. They made some very interesting points however. Makes a guy wonder.

Any thoughts?

Special thanks to x4 poster Bozac44 for this indisputable new evidence:

http://www.blogjam.com/neil_armstrong/

the earth is flat - the whole round planet thing was faked too

There was a movie when I was a kid called "Capricorn One", about a staged landing on Mars. It was interesting (to my 12 year old self, anyway). Also, it was quite possibly OJ Simpson's second greatest acting performance (after his Nordberg character in "The Naked Gun").

There are lots of theories, but how to they explain the U.S. flag, which is still visible from earth on the face of the moon?

Rams RB Marshall Faulk revealed himself as a moon-landing consipracy theorist in an interview a couple years ago. He's an intelligent, normal guy, talking about football and stuff ... and then he unleashes the moon landing stuff out of nowhere. It was awesome.

I love moon-landing conspiracy theorists and believe they enrich our lives and make our planet a better place.

There's explanations for everything at snopes.com. But maybe they're in on the conspiracy!

moon landing

Im not aware that it is visible, and they could have done other things which would could be seen from earth which would have proved it.

Here is how one person explains it..

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q: Can the US flag left on the moon in '69 be seen through an earth-based telescope? And where is it, anyway? (Ken, Atlanta)

a: Apollo 11 landed in the Mare Tranquillitatis (Sea of Tranquility) near its southern edge. See the Apollo Landings map in Cyclopedia Selenica.
The Hubble Space Telescope was recently trained on the Moon for the first time. It can theoretically resolve lunar features down to 85 metres (280 feet) across, which means that although it could never directly observe the lunar module's base section (much less the flag) it could possibly see its shadow near lunar sunrise or sunset. No Earth-bound telescope could match this feat.
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anyways, my two cents. I would not be surprised if it was fake. Its just amazing that they were able to do it like five times with computers with about the capabilities of a calculator, and nobody else has done it.

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Originally posted by johnnie gray:
the earth is flat - the whole round planet thing was faked too

There are people who believe that as well.

Not too mention literal creationists. Same thing in my book.

Wisconsin hasn't had a real winter in about 5 years. Are we just imagining these 32 degree+ days and no snow?? Has there really been a blizzard we just can't see??

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There are lots of theories, but how to they explain the U.S. flag, which is still visible from earth on the face of the moon?

A real lucky throw from earth?

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Originally posted by Brak:
Special thanks to x4 poster Bozac44 for this indisputable new evidence:

http://www.blogjam.com/neil_armstrong/

I had forgotten about that historical clip.
That is indisputable proof.

How about the conspiracy theorists that believe the Holocaust didn't happen?

I have spoke with a number

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Are you guys next gonna tell me Lee Harvey Oswald didn't act alone?

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Originally posted by The Crusher:
How about the conspiracy theorists that believe the Holocaust didn't happen?

I have spoke with a number

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LOL.

I studied this some and come to the conclusion most people don't take, I think it was faked. I have the movie "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon". I am very willing to change my mind on this if someone can explain somethings to me. I seen all the sites with all the shadows going different direction saying that there was another light source. I don't know about stuff like that i'm not an expert. Here are the problems that I think are reasonable.

* First point is the Van Allen Belts. The Van Allen belts were named after a Jame Van ALlen the person who discovered them. Here is an interesting quote.

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The moon is 240,000 miles away. The space shuttle has never gone more than 400 miles from the Earth. Except for Apollo astronauts, no humans even claim to have gone beyond low-earth orbit. When the space shuttle astronauts did get to an altitude of 400 miles, the radiation of the Van Allen belts forced them to a lower altitude. The Van Allen radiation belts exist because the Earth's magnetic field traps the solar wind.

Someone supposely can do the math on this which in my opinion proves absolutely nothing. I want to see them do it again. I'll give them 1000 miles which is 2x/+ further than any other mission besides apollo, but 240,000 miles away?
Apparently the 2nd furthest ever traveled into the Van Allen Belts the Astronuts were experiencing ratiation dots in their head. Again i'll give them 1000 miles into it. Even though it was under 500, I believe.

* Second point is the fim of them faking being 1/2 way to the moon. It was a day before the moon landings accordingto the film. Heres a quote.

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All Apollo missions stayed in low-earth orbit for the duration of the trip. We uncovered some mislabeled, unedited, behind-the-scenes footage from NASA that shows the crew of Apollo 11 clearly staging a shot of being half-way to the moon. This clip, shown in Apollo 11 Monkey Business and explained in A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, proves they did not leave low-earth orbit.

They would hold this transparency of a circle up across the window, dim the lights in the craft and there was some guy on the radio saying "we need more land". The guy also had the cue the astronut to talk (he wasn't paying attention?) What they had was this little transpaernt circle and they shot a picture of the transparent circle in front of the earth in low earth orbit to make it look like it was 1/2 way to the moon. That was one day before they landed there.

* Final point is the interviews with the astronuts. If you want to get any moon conspiracy movie its this one "Astronuts gone wild". Bart Sibrel interviews nine astronuts. Their stories are inconsistent, some of them are clearly nervous when confronted by the the tape that was mention above. They were hostel and one of the sons of the astronuts wanted to called the cia "to have them waxed" was his quote.

If people think faking this couldn't be done or our goverment wouldn't do something like this then they need to consider some things like

They lied on 9/11.
They lied on the Oklahoma city bombing.
They lied about the maine.
They lied about JFK.
They lied about Waco.
They have documents talking about doing stuff that they did on 911 - hi jacking planes and crashing them into the capital, bombing a US ship and blaming it on cuba as an excuse to go to war. see operation northwoods.

I think when/if the Chinese are able to put a man on the moon that could help to clear things up. I am about 60% toward thinking it was faked.

None of this exists. We are all figments of some unworldy being's imagination.

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Originally posted by pacfan:
None of this exists. We are all figments of some unworldy being's imagination.

Careful there...or all the anti-Christian zealots here will get scared again.

Does everything you post have to have a religious reference?

I just read about this stuff (again) a few days ago:

- While no one can "live" in the Van Allen radiation belt, the astronauts were only in it for a period of several hours, exposing them to radiation no more severe than the equivalent of a couple chest x-rays. Mr. Van Allen himself agrees without hesitation that the astronauts could pass through the belt and suffer no ill effects.

- The varying angles of the shadows seen in pictures can easily be explained by the uneven terrain on the moon's surface. If someone is standing on an incline (even a slight one), the angle and length of his/her shadow will be function of the direction of the light source and the three-dimensional angle of the terrain.

- The light on the moon's surface is exceptionally bright and the surface itself is reflective, as were the spacesuits and the moon gear, which accounts for several alleged anamolies embraced by consipiracy theorists: It explains, a. why details in the shadows were lit enough to be captured on film b. why few if any stars were captured on film, and c. why the astronauts were unable to see stars while walking around on the surface.

- Some argue that the temperatures were too extreme, particularly for film, which would likely be true if the astronauts tried to venture out in the middle of the lunar day. But they didn't venture out in the middle of the lunar day. Each mission was scheduled for early in the lunar morning (a lunar day lasts for several weeks), which kept the sun low on the horizon and reduced the temperature enough to make it workable. That's also why shadows always appeared long, even in pictures taken after the astronauts had been on the surface for many hours (which is another thing conspiracy theorists like to point at).

- The reason no "exhaust crater" was formed under the LEM is because the exhaust at landing registered only about 1.5 psi, which was enough to displace surface dust (which was noted and captured on film) but not nearly enough to create a crater on the packed surface, which is covered with fine dust and particulate on to a depth of a centimeter or so...and then becomes increasingly compacted the further you dig down. Furthermore, in an atmosphere-free environment, rocket exhaust is more widely dispersed, which is the reason the "plume" we see at launch keeps widening and expanding as the rocket reaches higher altitudes, and it's also the reason rocket exhaust "bells" are shaped differently depending on where the rockets are designed to be utilized.

James Van Allen made several quotes that it could be done. Doesn't mean its true. As I have said some guy claims to have the math on it. What does that mean? I mean if its no big deal why is their such a HUGE difference between the 1st and 2nd furthest traveled in these belts. 400 miles to 250,000 miles is quite a jump. Which is why I really want to see it done again. The 2nd furthest mission didn't even enter the belts and they felt the effects. I really don't think anyone is being unreasonable for being a skeptic on something like this. Also get the video "astronuts gone wild". In the Bart Sibrel ask them if there was radiation dots while going through the belts. One guy said yes you can see them. The other guy said didn't feel a thing. Ask another guy he was sweating up a storm, mumbling, coughing, and skipped the question. Its like that through the whole video. The stories are completely different on a bunch of different questions.

I never seen anyone explain away why they were faking being 1/2 to the moon a day before they were on the moon. Bart Sibrel said it would have been impossible for them to even be on the moon given the location of the craft (low earth orbit).

I don't get too much into the photographs, light sources, and temperatures. I was thinking about it once as I was looking up at the moon. Its pretty bright up there. Temperature about 250 degrees. If we did walk on the moon thats pretty impressive. I love nothing more than to say we did.

Wasn't the Lunar landing a result of the space race with the Russians? I would have thought the Russians would have been closely monitoring all the Apollo missions with there own equipment. You really think if all they did was orbit Earth for a week and then splash down claiming to have reached the moon the Russians wouldn't have been falling all over themselves to expose the ruse and subject NASA to international shame and humiliation?

If there had only been one attempt to reach the moon, maybe, MAYBE, there might have been a slight chance to suspect they faked it if enough evidence had presented itself. But how many times did we go to the moon? They faked it every single time? Talk about greatly increasing your risk of getting caught in a lie.

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Wasn't the Lunar landing a result of the space race with the Russians?

Yes. The was a big panic in America becuase the Russians were beating us in the space race. People were building bomb shelters. Alot of people said that is the reason they faked it. Only been to the moon once. Which leads me to the obvious question why are we waiting 40 years later and talk about it doing it 30 years from now if we all ready went. Lets go again. We did it before.

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Originally posted by TravisLL:
I never seen anyone explain away why they were faking being 1/2 to the moon a day before they were on the moon. Bart Sibrel said it would have been impossible for them to even be on the moon given the location of the craft (low earth orbit).

Bart Sibrel is to fake moon landings as the guy who thinks The Umbrella Man fired poison darts is to the Kennedy assassination. (Read: The whackiest of the whack-jobs.)

Sribel has been arrested for trespassing on Neil Armstrong's property after Armstrong turned down repeated requests for interviews, and Buzz Aldrin punched Sribel out after being paparrazied & ambushed for an interview by him outside of a hotel.

Anyway, contrary to Sribel's bogus claims, they weren't "faking" being halfway to the moon. They covered one cabin porthole and used a cutout on the other to block reflection, glare and ambient light (which was significant) so they could better photograph the earth using a 1960's-era TV camera during a live interview from space. Without blocking as much light as possible to enhance the contrast, the earth appeared through the camera lens as nothing a blob of light.

Section 19 makes the most valid point here - There was no way the Americans could've gotten away with "faking" trips to the moon because the Russians would have been all over moon-shot fakery like white on rice. They may have been Big Evil Communists at the time, but they weren't stupid, and it was a race.

You don't think the Russians would have been able to detect an "extra" man-made satellite orbiting the earth for two weeks?

Furthermore, regarding the radiation issue, you're choosing to believe someone other than 99% of the scientists out there (including Van Allen himself), which is certainly your prerogative, but it sorta makes me wonder a little.