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 Location: San Diego
Registered: 12-19-2005
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I disagree - Manual has already made a name for himself, and I used it almost every game I watched last year, it went something like, "F***in' Manual!!" |
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Registered: 09-22-2002
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The coaches disagree with you about Jolly and Poppinga. You seem to try and say certain players are integral and others aren't. It doesn't work that way. The simple fact is Pickett plugged up the middle and helped the defensive line improve against the run. He is part of a team and his presence allowed Jenkins to move outside and the both DE positions to become more effective. |
 Location: New Orleans, LA
Registered: 02-21-2000
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Pickett had a good offer from BUF didn't he?
If you think Pickett's easily replacable then you don't watch him. I'm not his PR guy but he's a frickin' bull. He's the anchor GB wanted in Grady...but younger and with no BS. He's got the strongest anchor of GB's DT's...and I doubt it's close. They paid him pretty well and it's working out fine - how can THAT be an issue? |
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Location: New Orleans, LA
Registered: 02-21-2000
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 Registered: 01-20-2001
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Hmm. Didn't think Pickett had gotten that much coin. Guess he was more mid-level than scrap heap.
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 Location: Atlanta, GA via the Town of Lisbon, WI
Registered: 02-02-2000
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Try again. I was wr.. I was wrooo... You can do it.  |
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Registered: 09-22-2002
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From JSonline: Jolly the scrub Overweight and unable to finish the fitness test all players are required to take before the start of camp, Jolly had to sit out four practices, along with fellow defensive tackle Ryan Pickett, in order to improve his conditioning. All along, however, the coaches knew there was a reason Jolly fell behind in his workouts and they weren't down on him about it. And almost as quickly as he passed his conditioning test, Jolly was zipping up the depth chart, so far that he might supplant veteran Corey Williams at the starting right tackle position. "There's a chance Johnny Jolly may run out of the tunnel as a starter on opening day, that's what I think of him," coach Mike McCarthy said. "He's a tough guy, a very instinctive player for a defensive tackle. He intercepted that screen (pass) the other day in practice. My God, that was an impressive play. So, I cannot be more pleased with him." Jolly is a real POS. So bad he's blowing by Williams to become the starter. Good call. |
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Registered: 01-20-2001
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If that's actually true, I'd be more concerned with Williams slipping than I would be happy with Jolly's progress--I don't think we'll see a 7 sack season from the latter any time soon.
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Location: Proud member of MRSA
Registered: 09-22-2002
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Of course you are. Wrrrur . . rurrr . . rrrruuurr . . . . |
 Location: I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!
Registered: 04-19-2001
Posts: 949
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 Wow...your glass isn't half-empty...it's shattered on the floor. Couldn't it be possible that Williams is performing at a high level, but Jolly is performing at an even higher level? This is exactly what most fans have been hoping for: Positional Depth.Unless there have been indications that Corey Williams is slacking off, I have no reason to believe he is slipping, especially given the fact that he will be a free agent after this season. |
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Registered: 01-20-2001
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Uhh, let's see something from him in an actual game before we declare who's right and who's wrong. |
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Location: Atlanta, GA via the Town of Lisbon, WI
Registered: 02-02-2000
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Because it's so important to be right. You almost sound like you're rooting against the guy.  |
 Location: "beat me like a rented mule" - Henry
Registered: 02-02-2000
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No credit to TT for drafting well at the top and signing good players with his big money FAs? LOL, lets look at Wolf's record of drafting at the very top and Sherman's record of signing big money free agents. BTW, I agree with you. The biggest difference in this defence is the line made up largely of players Sherman signed or drafted. What is the difference? They developed. What a liberty! You mean you don't have to sign big money free agents to get better? |
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Location: "beat me like a rented mule" - Henry
Registered: 02-02-2000
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Next year's draft we need to collect all the best players we can get regardless of position. Leave the target work for free agency. |
 Location: René Descartes was a drunken fart. 'I drink therefore I am.'
Registered: 01-11-2004
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Da Vinci code |
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Registered: 01-20-2001
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Like I said, if Thompson continues to hit on high draft picks and big-money signings, we'll be in good shape. But we are working with a small sample size at this point, and I think it's likely that the difference between the Joe Johnson signing and the Woodson signing was just luck. Both were older players with a serious injury history, and if anything, Woodson was the bigger malcontent. Of course, we have to balance free agent gains with free agent losses. Imagine how much better this team would look with Wahle and Walker? Add a decent RB, and I think you have a Super Bowl contender. (It would be extremely difficult to argue with a straight face that we haven't had enough cap room available in the last couple years to make deals for Woodson, Wahle, and Walker feasible, though Brandt would've had to make some adjustments in '04 to slightly backload a few deals.) |
 Location: Waukegan, Illinois
Registered: 02-14-2000
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The same thing said every year. I think we should only go for a QB if he is the best player available. |
 Location: Trying to take the high road
Registered: 09-14-2000
Posts: 1708
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Looks to me that they are inferring you should say you were wrong about Pickett being a cheap scrap heap acquisition. . . . |
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Registered: 09-22-2002
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You're the king of "if and but". Are you really going to drag out the whole Wahle and Walker bs? You don't even know how Wahle would've adjusted to the ZBS even if they could've kept him without killing the cap for the next 5 years. Clifton and Tauscher still aren't adapting that well to the ZBS in the run game. The O-line looks solid when they get back to pulling in a traditional scheme. Colledge and Spitz have been solid in replacing Wahle/Rivera. The Walker argument is just like the Moss argument. Bottom line is the WR spot is being filled with solid players who are contributing. I thought Woodson was a malcontent as well but it turns out he's just a different, if not quiet, kind of guy. I fully admit I didn't want to see the signing of Woodson but after reading a lot of different perspectives it would appear TT picked up a solid player who kind of slid off the radar of other teams in FA. His only rap was injury and he's come to Green Bay and become a real leader with Al Harris. There's more than just luck in that equation and I find that term to be rather opportunistic for the sake of argument. Whether you agree with the principal or not, you cannot deny what TT did was to start from the beginning with a fresh cap approach and that meant cutting a lot of players cluttering up the cap landscape. Wahle was about the only player of real value who became a casualty and that's because he didn't want to play ball and didn't like Green Bay in the first place. It's the price of rebuilding. Walker was a entirely different situation dealing with a big ego malcontent. TT doesn't value the WR position as much as other positions to dole out huge cash for a whiny hold out. I applaud the move. He's shown he rewards players who consistently prove themselves, like Harris and Driver. The argument of TT not spending cash or going after solid players doesn't hold water so the "luck" label seems silly. He re-signed Kampman, Jenkins, Barnett, Harris, etc. and without a hiccup. I would think everyone would applaud the "you play, you get paid" approach. Can you imagine what a steal Jenkins deal will look like if he blows up at RDE? He kept the guy in the fold for two more years with a really nice incentive contract that'll allow him to cash if he is consistently a solid player. That's excellent for both sides. It's the exact opposite of the Walker bs holdout. edit: Let me respond to your edit. 1.9 million in cap space, Wahle had a 11 million dollar option that he wasn't going to waive. Even if Wahle and Walker signed some stupid backloaded contracts and took a vet minimum in the first year, how much room does that leave you? Squat, and you've just pooched your cap for another 5 years and you haven't even signed your top 5 draft choice yet. Yeah, see how far asking guys to take a salary reduction on a 4-12 team will get you. Then you've got TWO players surrounded by a team falling apart and the solid players who remain with upcoming contracts and no defensive FAs. You were one who proclaimed Green Bay would have to overpay for FAs. Well, what the hell would they use to bring in big names that everyone is clamoring for to climb out of a 4-12 cellar? Does it make any sense at all to spend money like you're on the verge of a championship after that horsecrap season? Does it make any sense to try and maintain the status quo of the previous failed regime, who also happens to be your disgruntled coach who won't work with the new GM? Does it make any sense to hamstring the team with a new coaching staff/scheme who's probably not going to follow the same coaching style as Sherman? Considering the plan is to build a solid defense, continuing in the Sherman mode of pretty numbers on offense, a crappy defense only to collapse in the playoffs with a huge cap to accompany it all doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense. Try and say that with a straight face. |
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Registered: 09-22-2002
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Why? Wolf's strategy was to bring in QBs on a regular basis because the position is so important. It has nothing to do with Rodgers ability, it just makes good sense to have a couple of solid prospects developing at QB for competition sake and for future needs. Scrambling around for a vet QB isn't as sure fire as some would make out. Oakland is deciding between Josh McCown and Daunte Culpepper right now. I'd rather have two young QBs and maybe one vet but a long term vet, not some "we need a QB" now vet much like the Vikings are dealing with at the present moment. |
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Registered: 01-20-2001
Posts: 4755
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Couple points.
First, yes, a sample size of two is tiny, and no definitive conclusions about TT's acumen can be drawn from them alone. Second, there was simply no need to sacrifice Wahle and Walker. Plenty of free cap money the last couple seasons--we recently still had $10 million still on the table this summer, I believe. Packers have been busy frontloading deals to free up space down the road. I'd rather have Wahle and Walker now--Pro Bowl-caliber talents in their prime who should have at least several good seasons left. (The roster bonus stuff is BS. There's never been any indication that Wahle wouldn't accepted an offer from the Packers similar to what Carolina gave him. In retrospect, Carolina got a bargain, and I said so at the time.) And if players like Clifton, Wahle, and Tauscher can't adjust to the zone blocking scheme, maybe there's something wrong with the scheme. |
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Registered: 03-19-2000
Posts: 3415
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One of the main reasons we have cap space NOW is because of the Wahle situation. Do you suppose that space just suddenly appeared? The cap became manageable when Wahle's contract was off the books and when Darren Sharper was let go.
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Registered: 01-20-2001
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No, I don't suppose that. I presume I'd rather have Wahle now then the cap space. I'd also rather have Walker now than the cap space. If Bigby busts out, you could even make a case for Sharper over the space.
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Registered: 06-21-2006
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Location: In a state of confusion...
Registered: 03-19-2000
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But in order to get the cap space to keep Wahle the Packers had to, ummm....get rid of Wahle. |
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