Damn - not a good list of picks for DE by the Queens, although I guess you can't fault them for the late-round picks not working out. That's still a lot of premium picks for a whole lot of nothing.

Regarding James, and this is coming from a UW alum and open and admitted Badger homer, I don't think there's much to think about there. He's got tallant, but unfortunately he's just one of those 'constantly hurt' guys. Even at UW, he missed a ton of games, and it wasn't because of a nick here, a sprain there. He's had several horrible injuries, including some sort of hip injury that forced him to miss an entire season in college, IIRC. He's just never been completely healthy, and I doubt he ever would be at this point. I guess if you could bring him in for the minimum, he'd be worth a look in camp, but I'd certainly not expect much.

Udeze clearly had an injury label coming out of USC but I don't think I'd put James in that same category. He had that nasty ankle injury where the Purdue TE cut block him but the other injuries weren't predictable. The way I interpret this it was more due to attitude than talent or potential and I think James ticked off the coaching staff to some extent. Chilly doesn't seem to care for players that don't toe the company line and I got the impression that James was a little too outspoken for his own good.

There's little to no risk of bringing him in for a look because he fits a need (backup pass rusher) that I think this team needs. He's also a better run stopper than people give him credit for and who knows? Maybe a change of scenery would do him well.

Was this what you meant to say Boris?

I have no problem with bring James in, at a minimum price, of course.

We're squared up with the Vikings. Randy Moss almost made us feel guilty about grabbing McNally.

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2. Having perhaps the worst starting QB in the entire NFL.

I find it absolutely comical how Pack fans continually spout this off.


Can you please elaborate as to what gives you so much confidence in rodgers? what exactly has he done that make you think that he is the second coming?

At least our qb has started on Sundays

This is the equivalent of us saying last off-season... What makes you so confident in AD? At least Vernand Morency has started on Sunday's. Who the heck cares about the fact he's started on Sunday's... Bill Joe Tolliver, Todd Marinovich, Heath Shuler, Ryan Leaf, Akili Smith, Andre Ware, David Klingler, Rick Mirer, etc. ALL started on Sunday's. And...THEY ALL SUCKED HARD.

TarJack blows. Are you honestly going to argue that point? Aaron Rodgers was very close to being the overall #1 pick in '05. He was amazing at Cal. He's learned for 3 seasons and understands the WCO, which TarJack does not. He played lights out on the road on national TV in relief during a game the Packers were getting killed in. Plus, last pre-season he undeniably outplayed Brett Favre. He was outstanding and you could see his development.

I'll bank on a highly touted prospect out of college that flashed in the pros on a big stage vs. a guy from Alabama State who, to this point, has been nothing short of horrific as a starting QB. Argue until you're purple but deep down you know TarJack is terrible and you aren't going anywhere under his leadership, or BTK's for that matter... AND...You added GUS FREROTTE as your insurance policy. Man, that's more ballsy than us going in with the rooks as backups.

You will rue the day you did not draft Brian Brohm.

Just to piggyback on CoP's post, I don't think that every QB has the mental make-up to be thrown into the fire and fail again and again. After a while, they just get into a learned pattern of failure. Rodgers sitting on the bench and not playing until he was ready was a good, good thing for him and the Packers. OTOH, the only thing Tarvaris has shown is that he can scramble a bit, but otherwise isn't a very good QB.

How about this question? Out of all the current starting QB's in the NFL, who is worse than Tarvaris Jackson?

But 8-4 as a starter isn't really failing now is it. I know I'm going to hear they won in spite of Jackson, but hey, a win is a win.

I'm not ready to give up on the kid just yet. I've seen all of every game he's played. While he's made some mistakes, he's also shown some potential. In the upcoming year (2nd as a starter) what if he develops the potential more than the mistakes? Offense could be much better then some expect.

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Originally posted by Erik T. Redman:
But 8-4 as a starter isn't really failing now is it. I know I'm going to hear they won in spite of Jackson, but hey, a win is a win.

I'm not ready to give up on the kid just yet. I've seen all of every game he's played. While he's made some mistakes, he's also shown some potential. In the upcoming year (2nd as a starter) what if he develops the potential more than the mistakes? Offense could be much better then some expect.

Ah yes, the Bears fan argument. How many SB's did Orton and Grobesman win?

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Originally posted by Erik T. Redman:
But 8-4 as a starter isn't really failing now is it. I know I'm going to hear they won in spite of Jackson, but hey, a win is a win.

I'm not ready to give up on the kid just yet. I've seen all of every game he's played. While he's made some mistakes, he's also shown some potential. In the upcoming year (2nd as a starter) what if he develops the potential more than the mistakes? Offense could be much better then some expect.

The Vikings defense was one of the best in the league last year, NUMBER ONE in stopping the run. Then you had arguably the best RB in all of football, with the NUMBER ONE rushing team in the NFL. Despite those 2 factors, your passing attack was ranked 28th in the NFL. Jackson completed 58% of his passes and threw 9 TD's with 12 INT's. So YES, the Vikings won despite Mr. Jackson's efforts. The good news is that he merely has to suck less in for the offense to improve. On defense, the pass rush is already improved with Jared Allen, so the defense should also be better. What's CRAZY is that there was a QB there to be taken in the 2008 Draft and the Vikings passed. Bottom line, it would be complete shock to the world if Tarvaris Jackson was hoisting the Lombardi Trophy over his head at ANY point in his career.

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Originally posted by Erik T. Redman:
But 8-4 as a starter isn't really failing now is it. I know I'm going to hear they won in spite of Jackson, but hey, a win is a win.

I'm not ready to give up on the kid just yet. I've seen all of every game he's played. While he's made some mistakes, he's also shown some potential. In the upcoming year (2nd as a starter) what if he develops the potential more than the mistakes? Offense could be much better then some expect.

The Vikings defense was one of the best in the league last year, NUMBER ONE in stopping the run. Then you had arguably the best RB in all of football, with the NUMBER ONE rushing team in the NFL. Despite those 2 factors, your passing attack was ranked 28th in the NFL. Jackson completed 58% of his passes and threw 9 TD's with 12 INT's. So YES, the Vikings won despite Mr. Jackson's efforts. The good news is that he merely has to suck less in for the offense to improve. On defense, the pass rush is already improved with Jared Allen, so the defense should also be better. What's CRAZY is that there was a QB there to be taken in the 2008 Draft and the Vikings passed. Bottom line, it would be complete shock to the world if Tarvaris Jackson was hoisting the Lombardi Trophy over his head at ANY point in his career.

Very very soon, Childress will realize that his days as a Big Ten coach ended years ago and that this is a big boys's league. Ya got to pass the ball.

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Originally posted by CJS:

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Originally posted by Erik T. Redman:
But 8-4 as a starter isn't really failing now is it. I know I'm going to hear they won in spite of Jackson, but hey, a win is a win.

I'm not ready to give up on the kid just yet. I've seen all of every game he's played. While he's made some mistakes, he's also shown some potential. In the upcoming year (2nd as a starter) what if he develops the potential more than the mistakes? Offense could be much better then some expect.

The Vikings defense was one of the best in the league last year, NUMBER ONE in stopping the run. Then you had arguably the best RB in all of football, with the NUMBER ONE rushing team in the NFL. Despite those 2 factors, your passing attack was ranked 28th in the NFL. Jackson completed 58% of his passes and threw 9 TD's with 12 INT's. So YES, the Vikings won despite Mr. Jackson's efforts. The good news is that he merely has to suck less in for the offense to improve. On defense, the pass rush is already improved with Jared Allen, so the defense should also be better. What's CRAZY is that there was a QB there to be taken in the 2008 Draft and the Vikings passed. Bottom line, it would be complete shock to the world if Tarvaris Jackson was hoisting the Lombardi Trophy over his head at ANY point in his career.

Very very soon, Childress will realize that his days as a Big Ten coach ended years ago and that this is a big boys's league. Ya got to pass the ball.

Childress knows how to pass the buck, not the ball. Who could play for this guy? He didn't grow a personality from last season. Just watching and listening to him inspires a nap. I thought Thanksgiving turkey made me feel out of it. I'm so thankful this imbecile and his "kick as$" offense aren't in Green Bay. That is one of the funniest comments of all-time considering the source and the offensive results.

I keep reading TarJack is looking great in practice and is starting to get it. I find that hard to believe but we'll all get a glimpse in that opening Monday Nighter. He has a ton of pressure on him. The great thing is that when he fails the alternative is Gus Frerotte or JDB.

Have the Vikings had a great QB since Tarkenton retired? I don't think they have. What a cursed franchise. Sadly, their fans believe with all their hearts that this is the year because of the Jared Allen signing.

I wish we could play a Childress coached team each and every week. We could then probably do what New England almost did last season.

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I'm so thankful this imbecile and his "kick as$" offense aren't in Green Bay. That is one of the funniest comments of all-time considering the source and the offensive results.

Denny was a lot more entertaining as a quote guy and I like the Darren Sharper "look at me now" comment myself, but sometimes these guys would be better off keep their mouths shut. Then again, we'd have no material!

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I'm so thankful this imbecile and his "kick as$" offense aren't in Green Bay. That is one of the funniest comments of all-time considering the source and the offensive results.

Denny was a lot more entertaining as a quote guy and I like the Darren Sharper "look at me now" comment myself, but sometimes these guys would be better off keep their mouths shut. Then again, we'd have no material!

I was especially fond of his latest comments when being interviewed at the draft. Asked if the Vikings had put in any behavior clauses in Allen's contract he comes back with (paraphrase), "Of course not, I just looked him in the eyes and knew what kind of man he is".

Thanks Gary Cooper. I now understand why TO told him to shutup.

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Originally posted by Tschmack:

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I'm so thankful this imbecile and his "kick as$" offense aren't in Green Bay. That is one of the funniest comments of all-time considering the source and the offensive results.

Denny was a lot more entertaining as a quote guy and I like the Darren Sharper "look at me now" comment myself, but sometimes these guys would be better off keep their mouths shut. Then again, we'd have no material!

I was especially fond of his latest comments when being interviewed at the draft. Asked if the Vikings had put in any behavior clauses in Allen's contract he comes back with (paraphrase), "Of course not, I just looked him in the eyes and knew what kind of man he is".

Thanks Gary Cooper. I now understand why TO told him to shutup.

Oh, how funny these words in retrospect...

Childress was also a candidate for the coaching jobs in Green Bay and Detroit, but had his sights set on the Vikings.

"This is the plum job out there, without a doubt, hands down," Childress said. "Nine out of 10 people will tell you that. The ownership here showed me how committed they are."---BTK on taking the Minnesota job when apparently he had other suitors including Green Bay.

Another great moment of comic relief... I was watching Herschel "Cybil" Walker on a local TV sports talk show repeat, this evening, here in Dallas. Some footage was rolled from the archives of when Herschel was announced as a Viking... It showed two of the gayest looking Viking fans who were honest to goodness ready to pass out with glee over him coming to the purple. The goofy looks on their faces were priceless... I have to look on Youtube for this...it's too good not to share. I have to imagine this was even worse than the looks when they found out they gave their draft away for Jared Allen. We all know how Herschel turned out. I think the same will be said for Allen when it's all said and done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiSGf4Taf7Y&feature=related

Forward to 5:54 into the interview... He starts talking about Minnesota around 5:35... Just picture these same ignorant fans hailing Jared Allen's signing. What is even funnier to me is I will bet over 95% of Viking fans didn't even know who Jared Allen was. They knew Herschel.

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It showed two of the gayest looking Viking fans who were honest to goodness ready to pass out with glee over him coming to the purple. The goofy looks on their faces were priceless

Is that called having a vikgasm?! Is that Champ on the far left?!?!

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...I will bet over 95% of Viking fans didn't even know who Jared Allen was. They knew Herschel.

I'll take some of that action.

How much you willing to put behind your BS this time? I promise to put your money to good use.

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...I will bet over 95% of Viking fans didn't even know who Jared Allen was. They knew Herschel.

I'll take some of that action.

How much you willing to put behind your BS this time? I promise to put your money to good use.

You honestly believe more than 5% of Viking fans knew who in the heck this guy was, or anything about him save for what they may have heard just prior to the deal being made? I highly doubt that...I'll bet the fans in that YouTube clip didn't even know who he was until the papers started writing that the Vikes might be getting last year's NFL sack leader.

I've been to the dome more than I've been to Lambeau and the fans in Minnesota are akin to idiots. I'm surprised any of them knew when to cheer and when not to. Green Bay games were the best...more noise from Packers fans in their HOME stadium. The fans there are not sophisticated at all.

One of the funniest things to me is that Aaron Kampman has more sacks over the last two seasons than Jared Allen. If the Vikes had gotten him there wouldn't be half the buzz (bad word choice given Allen's propensity to knock down beers easier than QB's) over the signing. These fans hear "last year's NFL sack leader" and have that purple vikgasm. EVERY NFL sack leader over the last 7 seasons has seen his numbers plummet by at least 5 sacks, or more, the following season.

The Vikes are counting on these things... AD not to get hurt---won't happen...Jared Allen to have a major impact...won't happen... the defense to be able to stop the pass...won't happen...and TarJack to lead them to the playoffs... won't happen.

What will happen is...AD will get hurt, Allen will tank, the pass D will be as bad as ever and TarJack will continue to be in the bottom rung of NFL starting QB's...McKinnie will be suspended and Birk may not be there causing there running game to tank. AND...BRAD CHILDRESS will still be the head coach. I can't wait for this season.

What you doubt has nothing to do with my post.

Say how much you're willing to bet. If you can do it in less than 5000 keystrokes, that'd be best.

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What you doubt has nothing to do with my post.

Say how much you're willing to bet. If you can do it in less than 5000 keystrokes, that'd be best.

Less than 5k strokes? Toughie.

How could you ever prove such a thing? This is my honest opinion.

yup, der COP, us Vikin fans don't no nothin bout football.

God, how iognorant are you anyway.

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yup, der COP, us Vikin fans don't no nothin bout football.

God, how iognorant are you anyway.

ETR...If you all did know so much about football, how come EVERY off-season you get whipped into a lather about how great your squad will perform and EVER REAL SEASON you get let down?

It would seem if the fans were actually bright, they would realize that spending money doesn't equal on field success.

I'll never forget arguing with Purple fans about the 2005 draft... Vike fans were dizzy with joy over all the experts saying how great your draft was... It was SuperBowl for you now... The experts gave you an "A" for that draft...Now, they're saying "F" and calling it one of the worst drafts in NFL history. This is typical Vike fan reality...Get all cranked up on off-season hype and then crash hard during and after the regular season only to repeat the cycle like the tide coming in and out from the shore. It's quite funny to watch each year.

who's getting whipped into a lather?

optimistic about improvements and player development? Hell yes. Doesn't mean I expect a Super Bowl or anything.

Geez.....

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who's getting whipped into a lather?

optimistic about improvements and player development? Hell yes. Doesn't mean I expect a Super Bowl or anything.

Geez.....

Just the fact there is optimism is interesting to me. I would not be optimistic if I was a Vike fan. I really wouldn't. Wilf and Childress have proven to be poor l