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Location: Denver, Colorado, USA
Registered: 07-31-2000
Posts: 2410
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Agreed. I guess I should have stated that it will be nice to beat them at full strength. It would also be sweet if they get suspended like they should and have to serve their sentence this year. It will most certainly affect the outcome of their season. |
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Location: Plymouth, WI
Registered: 08-31-2009
Posts: 16
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Why don't they just have them serve their suspensions during away games? Then everyone will be happy...Right?
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 Location: OMF TACKLE HIM!!!
Registered: 02-03-2000
Posts: 16836
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I've asked that one before too, nobody seemed to have an answer. I mean technically aren't they employees in the state in which they are working? They have to pay state taxes when they play road games. |
 Location: San Diego
Registered: 12-19-2005
Posts: 11483
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It would still subvert the CBA policy that applies to several states, and that precedent would create a loophole that would no doubt be exploited several times over. It seems like an equitable solution, but I can see why the uhtterneys with the NFL would not want to settle for this solution. What if some other state has a homer judge who makes the same ruling? You can't have this sort of regulation and have to roll back suspensions in several states where games may be played on a given weekend.
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 Location: where the climate suits my clothes
Registered: 03-20-2006
Posts: 1152
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Think about FL or CA teams, who could potentially have two away games in the same state and probably three when MN moves to LA.
GBP, Great Question. I would say they are employees in the state they are working, but since they have entered into a CBA (union), that supercedes any/all various state laws. So, they would not get the protections that state law would allow. OTH, if some state law was very lax, the employee would get more protection than they would by the state, due to entering into the CBA (union). So, it could go both ways. I agree with JJSD about suspensions. It has been sort of fun to watch and track, and it somewhat surprising, that the Appeals court has taken so long to issue their opinion on this case, it's really not that complicated in my mind. (Federal law supercedes State law in employee rights if the Company is an "intrastate" entity) |
 Location: St. Paul, MN
Registered: 12-11-2000
Posts: 2118
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Until you need one, of course. |
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Location: San Diego
Registered: 07-14-2008
Posts: 539
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So do you think Goodell could get away with adding an extra week to the suspension because they took it to court as SanDiegoPackFan susggested? That would a be a disaster, the NFLPA would probably explode, and it seems like there would be some legal recourse for such blatant retaliation. I'll admit that Williamses court case is pretty weak, and they'll very likely end up serving the four games soon, as well they should. But this is America, you can sue over just about anything. |
 Location: Santee, California, USA
Registered: 02-03-2000
Posts: 3737
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I guess the point I was trying to make was that the commish wouldn't "add on" to the current suspension....he would give them another one-game suspension for violating the NFL Contract AGAIN....just like he did when they violated itfor taking a banned substance...only this time it would be for a different reason.
4 + 1 = total 5 games my reasoning is that if he doesn't do anything, then anytime a player is suspended, they can go to their local court and file an injunction to prolong the inevitable until it suits them...that is not the spirit of the agreement. let me know if you I need to clarify my opinion further... |
 Registered: 02-02-2000
Posts: 24637
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That would be weak Gestapo sh*t. In this country we have the right to due process. Even Goodell understands that...I think. |
 Location: John Clay and Montee Ball's Rubicon
Registered: 03-06-2000
Posts: 9469
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Well, there has to be some kind of recourse for Goodell on this ...
if a player was near retirement he could dope and then keep filing injunctions into retirement. My guess is he would want something out of their player pension should they not serve suspensions and went into retirement ... they'd have to give up something. |
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Location: John Clay and Montee Ball's Rubicon
Registered: 03-06-2000
Posts: 9469
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Bottomline:
I don't see how Goodell doesn't have the power to make those guys sit out for suspensions games regardless of the courts ... they can get pay until the court stuff is resolved, IMO his suspensions should be like the off-field stuff he is suspending guys like Vick/Pacman for. The Team would suffer by the Williams being out ... Goodell represents the owners/Teams. IMO, more proof that Goodell/Owners/Wilf is playing both sides of the fence on this 1 ... he doesn't want a precedent set YET he wants the Vikings to succeed this year and make the taxpayers pay for the stadium. |
 Location: fairfax station, virginia
Registered: 07-30-2002
Posts: 1490
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New info, per PFT (link) :
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 Location: Antarctica
Registered: 01-10-2004
Posts: 15969
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What???
How can 2 players be suspended and not the other 2 for the exact same infraction?? |
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Location: ?Le gusta la chickenguy?
Registered: 12-17-2006
Posts: 2595
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My understanding is that the court believed the Williams' similar contentions that they had no idea the banned diruetic was secretly added whereas Grant knew all along.
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Location: where the climate suits my clothes
Registered: 03-20-2006
Posts: 1152
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Unbelievable...... I have to imagine this is going to the Supreme Court now, you cant have some players being suspended for a positive test and others not, because of different state laws?
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Location: where the climate suits my clothes
Registered: 03-20-2006
Posts: 1152
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Thats the point though, it doesn't matter, ignorance is not a defense. 'Nobody told me the gun was loaded before I shot', doesn't work. |
 Location: Denver, CO
Registered: 08-16-2005
Posts: 1632
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Gotta love our legal system. Two identical cases in court at the same time with two different verdicts.
Knowledge of the substance doesn't matter b/c baseball players have been using that defense all along. "I didn't know my teammate was injecting me in the a** with steroids, I though it was vitamin B!!!!!" |
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Location: OMF TACKLE HIM!!!
Registered: 02-03-2000
Posts: 16836
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Yep, he was right. He seemed quite certain of it when I heard him. What a load of BS though. |
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Location: where the climate suits my clothes
Registered: 03-20-2006
Posts: 1152
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Thanks GBP I'm all interested in this case now. |
 Location: Time to go 'dilla huntin Chilly!
Registered: 10-10-2004
Posts: 2677
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I would rather face the Vikings with the Williams Wall to avoid the built-in excuse that would inevitably come out of Minne-ha-ha.
I want their best against our best. |
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Location: where the climate suits my clothes
Registered: 03-20-2006
Posts: 1152
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I agree with that, I dont want them suspended so we dont have to play them. they should be suspended cause they had a positive test for a banned substance. I just think the NFL needs to figure out how they are going to deal with this, or its going get very slippery very quickly...... |
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Location: Antarctica
Registered: 01-10-2004
Posts: 15969
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That's not the point CH. It's unfair that 2 people can be suspended and 2 others not for the exact same infraction. This goes beyond state laws here. This ruling is complete crap.
I don't care whether it benefits the Packers or not. They should be punished like everyone else. I have to think there are other factors at work here. Stadium, etc. |
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Registered: 09-01-2009
Posts: 163
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So the Williams sisters are off the hook. Figures! It's now going to be even harder to suspend some guy now that this has happened. The NFL better find a way to enforce their laws w/o having to lose to "homer" courts. The CBA needs more teeth. Right now Viking fans are smirking the same way O.J.s fans did some years ago. They beat the law.
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 Location: Once you go black METAL, you never go back...
Registered: 01-08-2004
Posts: 2615
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Okay...try to convince me that the NFL is not fixed...especially regarding Brent and the Vikes. What a frikkin' joke pro sports have become.
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Location: OMF TACKLE HIM!!!
Registered: 02-03-2000
Posts: 16836
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Actually it was more than just those 4. There was a kid from the Texans I believe who sacked up and took his suspension last year when it was originally handed down. I think there was 1 other guy too. |
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