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Originally posted by PackerBacker77:
As much as I believe this will hurt the vikes as a team, Allen is going to be a presence on that line...and its going to suck watching A-Rodg eat dirt (or turf when we play in their cute little dome)

No kidding! I mean a whole 1/2 sack against the fleet-footed Favre!! Lawdy Lawdy po' slo' A-Rodg is gonna be destroyed!!

Oh the humanity!! If I were you I wouldn't even turn the games on!

If I am MM, I'm running right at Allen off the edge at least a dozen times a game. Take him out of the play and neutralize his quickness. The Packers didn't seem to have a problem at Lambeau running off the edges last time against the Vikings.

Allen will definitely cause problems in the passing game, no doubt. He's a special talent.

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Originally posted by Max:
The swap of sixth-round picks is about the silliest attempt at saving face after giving up a ton in a trade that I've ever seen. By the 6th round of the draft teams are usually looking at entirely different players, I suspect. Are the Vikings really going to get a better player at 6.04 than 6.17? Just odd.

Actually I heard the swap is in the Chiefs favor, moving up from 187 to 182.

Could be I guess. Both teams have two picks in that round.

Either way it's kind of odd.

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Originally posted by iowacheese:
Now the queens need to trade their R2 for the great Sage Rosenfels.

You know what? If they did that I would be MORE worried about them next season.

The Chiefs have #170 & #187
The Vikes have #182 & #193

I'm guessing the Chiefs did the #182 for #170 swap. (Just a guess)

It is believed the Vikings compromised by sending the Chiefs their top pick (17th overall) and both third-round picks, and the teams will swap positions in the sixth round, with the Vikings improving their position in that round. Initially, the Chiefs wanted first- and second-round picks, while the Vikings offered the first and one third.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_9019863

Now P.A. is predicting that the Packers, bears and lions will all draft Left Tackles in the first round of the draft. What a maroon.

It's actually possible that two of the three will, but they would have anyway.

It's becoming an annual rite of passage with the Queens and their 'fans.' Allen is a very good player, clearly, but $30M+ guaranteed, highest paid defender in the NFL, three premium picks? Foolish, IMHO. Regardless, if they handed out the Lombardi Trophy in the spring and based it on hype and bombast, the Queens' trophy case would have more than dust in it. It's actually gotten quite comical in a certain context.

"This is the year, baby! We're winning it all!" Missed playoffs... "No wait, THIS is the year!" Missed playoffs. "No WAIT THIS IS DEFINITELY THE YEAR!" How many years in a row have we heard this crap? Several, IIRC, and the majority of the folks proclaiming such things disappear by November every year or turn back into the Mr. Hyde-type haters we all know and recognize.

I've always held the same belief with the Queens - they're a Mickey Mouse, style-over-substance, second-rate franchise that can't even find a non-dump in which to play. Their Packer envy is borderline psychotic, and I basically view them the same way as I did the Bucs years ago - until you win something that matters, STFU. The Bucs have done so, which means that they have been legitimized to an extent. The Queens? Until they actually do something tangible that does more than add to their 'Playoff Appearances" banner, they'll remain garden-variety pretenders.

I'm not even hoping for some sort of implosion, to be honest. After decades of failure, it's safe to assume that the Queens will take care of that all by themselves.

Ah, you know, if you can't get excited when your team trades for one of the league's best DEs, when can you get excited?

Sometimes fans of other teams come here and criticize people for their optimism. Frequently they're told, it's a Packers fan board, what do you expect?

Be glad they only have one player to get excited about (plus whoever they draft in the 2nd), rather than 4 in the draft's first 100 picks.

I don't disagree, but fit it into the big-picture pattern. Every single offseason marks the 'dawn of the Queens' dynsasty,' which was my point. Remember how when Dungy got to TB and they started in with their 'most players in the Pro Bowl,' the 'new kings of the NFC' crap? Never happened until Gruden got there and they actually won a title several years later.

We're seeing the same sort of thing in Queensland - PR, hype, multiple Pro Bowl players and nothing to show for it. Perhaps they will ultimately complete the same cycle that TB did (and will probably need a different coach and QB to do so), but my overriding point was that I'll believe it when I see it, and if I do see it, I'll think differently of the Queens then as I do the Bucs now. However, four+ decades of nothing but a lot of hot air means any organization is in the 'prove it' stage.

Let's not forget they already paid Bernard Berrian as if he were one of the top 5 receivers in the league.

This is going to come back and bite them big-time.

B-N-D

Most Vikings fans are excited about the trade. I know I like it. Yeay they gave up alot, but that's what it takes to add a very good pass-rushing DE at the age of 26. Those guys aren't easy to acquire, as the Vikings have proven with numerous failed attempts over the last decade. There is some risk because of the 3 high draft picks and his history of DUI's, but every trade, draft pick, and free-agency move has some element of risk. Nobody ever knows if a guy will work out for sure, so you just have to do as much homework before-hand as you can and hope you get more right than you do wrong. I'd argue that the chance of Allen being a good player here is better than the Vikes drafting one that would be as good as he will be.

As far as fans saying "we are the team", there will be some like that because they get over-excited with good news. Most fans are more realistic and know that Jackson is very inexperienced and needs to prove he can be a good starting QB before this team can be a legit SB contender. I don't know if he will develop into a good player or not, but I do know that most QB's don't have their best season the first year they start. Some actually get better with practice and experience. Hopefully T-Jack is one of those guys.

Most of the hype will be media-driven because that's what they do. It has nothing to do with the MN organization. I couldn't care less if they think MN is the NFC North favorite or not...because none of that matters.

You've always been an exception to the general rule, BPG. You still suck for your team affiliation, though.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
You've always been an exception to the general rule, BPG. You still suck for your team affiliation, though.

Ahhhh...I'm getting a little emotional now.

The biggest negative to this trade is now Saturday's draft will be far less exciting for me. Good timing since my usual draft-day party got cancelled due to circumstances outside my control. It will still be interesting to see how everything plays out...and to see if the Vikes can find somebody solid in the 2nd round.

So if after spending all this money the Queens suck hind-tit, do they let Opie go after the season?

Personally I hope the Vikings continue to employ Childress and the Lions continue to employ Millen. I really don't see a downside there.

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Originally posted by Big Purple Guy:
Most Vikings fans are excited about the trade. I know I like it. Yeay they gave up alot, but that's what it takes to add a very good pass-rushing DE at the age of 26. Those guys aren't easy to acquire, as the Vikings have proven with numerous failed attempts over the last decade. There is some risk because of the 3 high draft picks and his history of DUI's, but every trade, draft pick, and free-agency move has some element of risk. Nobody ever knows if a guy will work out for sure, so you just have to do as much homework before-hand as you can and hope you get more right than you do wrong. I'd argue that the chance of Allen being a good player here is better than the Vikes drafting one that would be as good as he will be.

As far as fans saying "we are the team", there will be some like that because they get over-excited with good news. Most fans are more realistic and know that Jackson is very inexperienced and needs to prove he can be a good starting QB before this team can be a legit SB contender. I don't know if he will develop into a good player or not, but I do know that most QB's don't have their best season the first year they start. Some actually get better with practice and experience. Hopefully T-Jack is one of those guys.

Most of the hype will be media-driven because that's what they do. It has nothing to do with the MN organization. I couldn't care less if they think MN is the NFC North favorite or not...because none of that matters.

Good realistic take. I think the Vikes have clearly upgraded their team during the off-season and the packers have regressed barring any major upticks in performance by the younger players which is clearly what TT and the org is counting on. I don't know anything about the Vikes structure to know if this is a go-for-broke situation because of the age of key players and/or the cap. Obviously the Vikes will have to win w/ defense and running the ball because jackson will not get you to the SB making plays himself. Nice upgrades but nowhere near SB contenders and probably still not quite at the level of the packers. By the way no way rodgers leads the packers to the SB either.

They may have signed a very good Defensive end but they still have Mr Noodle as a head coach.

The Vikings acquired a very good player, but I believe they overpaid. Allen led the league in sacks in 2007, but he was 30th in 2006 and 21st in 2004. I personally would think this deal would only be justified if Allen consistently posts double-digit sacks for at least the next three years, or at a minimum increase the total team sacks into a top-3 team.

I'm not sure whether the price is right, but it seems like the Vikings would need to find a real QB before a swap like this would make sense.

This seems like a trade you make if you are one player away from contending. And let's be real, the Vikings aren't 1 player way from contending. They are an ACL tear away from having a top 5 pick next year.

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Originally posted by CUPackFan:
This seems like a trade you make if you are one player away from contending. And let's be real, the Vikings aren't 1 player way from contending. They are an ACL tear away from having a top 5 pick next year.

The Vikings are a credible QB away from contention. But it can take a very long time indeed to find that guy.

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Originally posted by lukey:
it seems like the Vikings would need to find a real QB before a swap like this would make sense.

It's possible they still need a QB. We'll learn more about Jackson this year. But it's not every day that a guy like Allen can be acquired. I don't believe there's a set order to building a team. They were able to draft a good RB last year, so they did. Now they were able to trade for a very good DE, so they did. If they discover that they need a new QB, then maybe that's soemthing they address later, but it doesn't make sense to say, "Yeah this great guy is available, but since we don't have a good enough QB, we shouldn't bother."

It's not like making this trade prevented them from getting a great QB. Even had they drafted one at 17, it might take him years to develop...and that's assuming the guy works out at all.