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 Location: "beat me like a rented mule" - Henry
Registered: 02-02-2000
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I'm sure he wanted Adrian Peterson as well, but at what price? |
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Location: "beat me like a rented mule" - Henry
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Free Safety is perhaps the biggest advocate of this philosophy. The way TT has been drafting is what I look forward to, every year, no matter how good we are. You must bring competition in every year. If you are not trying to make the whole team better you will get worse. |
 Location: Why
Registered: 05-09-2000
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Location: "beat me like a rented mule" - Henry
Registered: 02-02-2000
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Whew, I was afraid you were going to pick these two.  Tschmack, hook him up with some donuts...and don't scratch the Element in the driveway when you make the delivery. |
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Location: Why
Registered: 05-09-2000
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Thisis what I really wanted to post....but I am not one to violate any forum rules
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Location: "beat me like a rented mule" - Henry
Registered: 02-02-2000
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Is that Rick? I don't think I'm going to open that.  |
 Location: Get the Midas touch....
Registered: 04-03-2004
Posts: 2903
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Never gonna give you up...
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Location: "beat me like a rented mule" - Henry
Registered: 02-02-2000
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Maybe not, but you did make me cry. |
 Location: Formerly from the home of your soon to be World Champion Vikings! Secure your spot on the parade route today!
Registered: 08-10-2001
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I am assuming I'm the good looking one on the left?
 I'm still trying to figure out if anyone answered chickenboy's original question like 40 posts before. Is there any Allen news out there other than him possibly picking up his 6th DUI? |
 Location: I've got big balls, and they're such big balls
Registered: 10-04-2004
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 Location: St. Paul, MN USA
Registered: 07-13-2000
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KFAN was talking about how a 1 and a 3 is too much for this guy and I agree. I mean seriously, we love Kampman but would we want TT to give up a 1 and 3 for him? I'm saying no and that is no indictment on Kampy.
Also with Allen one slip up away from major suspension, the Vikes would be foolish to do this. The Vikes, again, have talent that is close to playoff level but is lacking the most important piece, a QB. If I were them and was going to give up a pick, I'd give a 2 or 3 for Rosenfels before Allen. But that's just me. |
 Location: Corn Rows, not just for your head.
Registered: 09-22-2002
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I officially apologize to grbaypack for doubting that Florio of PFT was a Viking homer. Two number ones? Poison pill? No brainer?
Per the source, the Vikings are “likely” to sign Allen to an offer sheet after next weekend’s draft, if a “fair” trade can’t be worked out before then. The move meshes with the idea that came us to like an acorn to a blind squirrel on Saturday. With the Chiefs reportedly wanting a first-round pick and a second-round pick for Allen, why not simply nab Allen with a poison-pilled offer sheet and foist on the Chiefs the Vikings’ first-round picks in 2009 and 2010? Unreal. |
 Location: The shed behind Boris Castle.
Registered: 03-20-2005
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If they're going to give up high future picks for a player, why didn't they just work out a trade for Derek Anderson where they gave up an '09 1st and 2nd or whatever?
As good as Allen is, he's not going to make their offense better. I'm not looking forward to seeing Jared Allen in the NFC North but they won't win in the playoffs with Tarvaris! Obviously Zygi is setting them up to continue to be mediocre so he has an excuse to sell the team to the guy building that mega-stadium in LA! |
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Location: Get the Midas touch....
Registered: 04-03-2004
Posts: 2903
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I think Florio used to hang out on the old AOL football message boards and was a diehard Viking fan. |
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Location: Get the Midas touch....
Registered: 04-03-2004
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Depends. When your first round selection is Ahmad Carroll and your 3rd round selection is Joey Thomas, suddenly it all makes perfect sense. |
 Location: Normal, Illinois
Registered: 01-09-2001
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That's what I recall as well ... I asked him about it in an email a few years back, and he claimed his #1 team was the Steelers, but always liked the Vikings as well. I gave him some crap for liking two teams ..never understood how people could do that. I've always though he was pretty pro-Viking judging from his commentary over the years. |
 Location: Minneapolis, MN
Registered: 09-07-2007
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Florio is on the Duckies and Bunnies show on KFAN on a regular basis and has admitted numerous times in the past that he is a Viking homer.
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Location: Formerly from the home of your soon to be World Champion Vikings! Secure your spot on the parade route today!
Registered: 08-10-2001
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I think it would be a big mistake for Minnesota to make that deal (giving up high draft picks). Allen is a nice player but is he a legit game changer like Ray Lewis in his prime, or Kearse in his prime, or somebody like that? I don't think so. Even worse, the guy is one more dumb decision away from being suspended.
Only the Vikings could figure out a way to screw this up |
 Registered: 01-11-2002
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Actually, I have no idea why you'd say this would be a bad deal for the Vikings. The guy just turned 26 and he's averaged 11 sacks per season in his first four years. He led the league in sacks a year ago despite missing those first two games. (Since his suspension was shortened from four games to two, I don't know if he'd miss a year with another screw-up.) And this despite KC not having anyone else on their defense who opponents had to account for. On a better defense in a 16-game season, he might have had 20 sacks last year -- seriously.
Are the Vikings going to get a comparable player with their first-round pick? No way. I wouldn't be all fearful if they made this trade; I think they have a pretty good defense anyway. But Allen is definitely a scarier player than they'd draft in the first and the third, or whatever they end up giving up. This is the team that took Troy Williamson in the top 10 and Tarvaris Jackson in the 2nd the last few years. |
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Location: Corn Rows, not just for your head.
Registered: 09-22-2002
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One bad night away from crapping out on two 1st rounders if they go Florio's route? To say it's a "no brainer" is beyond stupid. Vikings fans seem to believe they're just a couple players away from the Superbowl. Please feel free to dump your resources all on one guy. |
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Registered: 01-11-2002
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To be honest, I don't even understand what Florio is saying. (Nor do I ever understand the nonsense generally published at PFT.com.) The Vikings don't need a contract with a "poison pill" for Allen. If they simply give him any old contract, the Chiefs will happily take the two first-round picks and run. Because the Chiefs are a horrible rebuilding franchise with more needs, arguably, than any other team in the league -- certainly in the AFC. They got 15.5 sacks out of Allen a year ago and still won only 3 or 4 games. They may as well trade him.
I don't think it's a no-brainer, but if the Vikings could trade (for example) a first and a third for Allen, I think the odds are they'd end up with a better player over the next 5-7 years than they would if they used those picks on rookies in this year's draft. Let's face it, there's a pretty decent chance those picks would crap out anyway. |
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Location: Corn Rows, not just for your head.
Registered: 09-22-2002
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I agree he's talented and it would be a good move but not for 2 1st rounders when the guy is also a character risk. He'll be a good addition but a big chunk of risk. So be it. |
 Location: Land of Enchantment
Registered: 03-19-2000
Posts: 3276
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Allen isn't going to sign just any old offer sheet. Plus, I've heard that Tampa could be interested as well. Either way, I think the contract offer is going to have to be pretty significant if they wait until after the draft.
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Registered: 01-11-2002
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My point was that neither the Vikings nor the Bucs would need to worry about incorporating some kind of "poison pill" into their contract offers. Kansas City isn't going to match regardless. If they could trade Allen for two first-rounders -- which is what they get if Allen signs an offer sheet with another team -- they'll gladly take them. It's the "poison pill" comment that doesn't make any sense. |