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 Location: 1/2 mile from Mean Girls gone Wild
Registered: 02-02-2000
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I don't know Yuck. You tell me. Why bring him up??? Might as well ask me how Ron Wolf is doing. He is known to have traded a high draft pick for a player. TT doesn't. |
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Location: 1/2 mile from Mean Girls gone Wild
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Shouldn't you be in the baseball forum compalining about how the umps are in a conspiracy to cost the Brewers a win. Is what I said wrong? No. He isn't likely to. Case Closed. BrewMet phonier... |
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Registered: 10-04-2004
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 Location: Hastings, MN
Registered: 02-03-2000
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OK here is something I just don't understand about #1 draft picks. Why are they valued so much More than established stud NFL players? Why isn't a team like the Rams or Falcons interested in giving up the #2 or #3 pick for a guy who has averaged 11 sacks per season and had 15.5 last year? Sure they'd have to give him a big contract but it's not like the contract they'll be giving a rookie picked at #2 or 3 chump change. The guy is only 26 years old and is just coming into his prime. The odds of Chris Long or Glenn Dorsey ever turning into that good of a player are not that great. Sure, it COULD happen but you already know what you are getting in a player like Jared Allen.
If anyone got that kind of production from a top 10 pick this year I'd be shocked. The Vikings would be getting a steal if they only had to give up a #17 pick for him. |
 Location: St. Paul, MN USA
Registered: 07-13-2000
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I was just going to post a question asking who Ron Wolf traded a high draft pick for. I seriously couldn't remember. Then I did. And it WAS the only time he did that with the Pack. Funny (at least to me). Personally, I'm lukewarm on the whole thing. I like Allen but I'm also leery of players being as as successful with other teams as they are with their current one. I mean, he has the numbers but is he REALLY that good? Is he worth giving up depth? If TT has proven anything it's that having a solid roster from top to bottom will win in the NFL. The Pack DL is already a strength. I guess I'll be cool with whatever decision they make. Also, let him go to the Vikings. Look what Hutchinson has broought them in wins. He may still be at the top of his game but the line play for that team as a whole has gone downhill. |
 Registered: 01-11-2002
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Well, look at the history of it. More often than not the team giving up the high pick for those established players gets burned.
Peerless Price Javon Walker Joey Galloway Sean Gilbert Ricky Williams There certainly have been times it's worked out. Marshall Faulk springs to mind. I think basically teams worry that the established veteran player's best years are behind him. You're acquiring a player who's already had his best season, rather than one whose best years are ahead of him. BTW, Allen is also one screw-up away from a year-long suspension, too, I believe. He was suspended the first four games of last season (later shortened to two). And I thought KC wanted first and second-round picks. |
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Registered: 11-14-2001
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Off the top of my head I can think of two. He traded a first for Favre and a second for Keith Jackson. However, it's still pretty funny watching Rob stomp his feet in another offseason. |
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Location: Hastings, MN
Registered: 02-03-2000
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Good point Max and you can add Keyshawn Johnson and a host of others to that list. Plus the point is well taken about a guy succeeding more in his current atmosphere than going elsewhere.
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Location: 1/2 mile from Mean Girls gone Wild
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And off the the top of my head, Sherman only did it once. A 2nd for Al Harris. But it is funny to watch you and Yuck try to make up stuff so YOU can start talking about Sherman and Tt bashing when noboby is doing it. Again, I have no beef with TT and his drafting. I just wish he was more aggressive for players that he wants. Now back to your paranoia. The black helicopters are circling over your head. |
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Registered: 11-14-2001
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Uhhh Cletus you stomped your feet and held your breath last offseason and have been doing it again this year. and here,let me fix this for you:
No need to thank me |
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Registered: 11-14-2001
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From the last article I read,was that they would settle with a first and third. Edit,Max this is the latest I see: The Bucs have offered their first-round pick and a fifth-round pick next year, and their proposed deal could also include defensive lineman Jovan Haye, Smith reported. Meanwhile Minnesota is considering offering its first-round pick and a second-round pick in 2009, while the Chiefs would prefer to deal for picks in this year's draft, sources told Smith. |
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Location: 1/2 mile from Mean Girls gone Wild
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And again all you offer is a criticism of another posters post. That is really all you do. And just to prove you wrong (again), last year TT said he wanted to draft the WR Sydney Rice. But he sat there and sat there and let Minny leap up ahead of him and get him. That is a player that TT wanted. NOT ME! So being the passive, I don't want to take a risk GM that he is, he let somebody else get HIS player. |
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Registered: 11-14-2001
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Well not really,but thanks for having another fine meltdown this offseason. It's rather hilarious. You better come up for air soon. |
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Registered: 09-22-2002
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Minny had the 41st pick and traded it to Atlanta for the 44th pick where they took Rice. There was no "leap up ahead of him". The Packers were slated to draft at 47 and traded it to the Jets, which offered selections of Brandon Jackson, Aaron Rouse and Korey Hall. Get your facts straight before "proving someone wrong (again)". |
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Location: 1/2 mile from Mean Girls gone Wild
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go listen to McCarthys audio from last years draft. They wanted and were going to select Rice at their spot. Minny took him ahead of them. When they took him they moved down. That is how that came about. Facts are TT wanted Rice but because he was unwilling to move up, he did not get the player he wanted. |
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Well really, that is what you do and you know it. Now carry on with your grand mission of internet forum criticism. You are the best.....I have to go to work now ao you can have the last word..... |
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Registered: 09-22-2002
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And read the sentence again. You said "Minny leaped" in front of Green Bay to get Rice. They didn't, they traded back and took him at 44. Regardless if TT wanted Rice or not you're using lies and hyperbole to get all worked up about TT supposedly being passive when in reality Minnesota picked ahead of Green Bay and took Rice. You don't know if there was any trade partners available to get Rice or not and if there was how much was being asked. If that isn't bellyaching I don't know what is. |
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Registered: 01-23-2005
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No paranoia involved. No making stuff up. You are one of the biggest Shermanites this side of Squirrelpee. Your anti-TT/pro-Sherman rants were well known at Z's. Yes your shots at TT are a lot more veiled over here, but easy to spot nonetheless. A zebra can't change his stripes, neither can a Sherman rube. |
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Registered: 11-14-2001
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So freaking what Cletus? This happens to EVERY gm around the league on a yearly basis in the draft,they all have their own draft boards and the players they want. Good lord,your Ted Thompson rants are like a broken record-parrot act. You're just as bad as the resident rodent around here. Plenty of people have told you this,but you keep telling yourself how "we" are all wrong . Lets take a look at just a few of your past TT rants shall we? http://timesfour.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/1891069702/p/1 http://timesfour.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/2701043332/p/1 http://timesfour.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/6601041122/p/3 http://timesfour.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/994...351045882#4351045882 http://timesfour.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/9941082882/p/4 All we need now is a blue light special comment and this offseason will be complete for you. Honestly,you're like clockwork. |
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Registered: 02-02-2000
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A new entry for the X4 lexicon... Sherube!  |
 Registered: 09-28-2001
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They would be, but as the article said : "A package of first-and second-round picks or one of first- and third-round picks in the upcoming draft have been discussed as possible terms. " I kinda doubt that the price will drop as low as just #17 in the next week. Although, the Vikings and the Chefs aren't exactly role models for prudent NFL personell moves as of late. So, who knows... Chiefs want draft picks and the vikings always think they are close...this has a good shot at happening. Vikes could have him for a 1st and 3rd.... |
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Location: Omaha NE
Registered: 12-14-2006
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The thought of the queens having Jared Allen scares the crap out of me. I personally would like TT to trade for him, but it wont happen. To everyone arguing about TT v. Sherman ... How can you argue with the results TT ha |