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Beat Detroit in Motown!!!...Way to go Bucks...Im impressed
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This group plays defense and is a good fit for Skiles' style.
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Jefferson hitting that 3 was huge. The Pistons had run off a pretty big run to take a 12 point lead down to 1, and he nails a 3 to take some of the wind out of their sails. The best part was the 24 second violation in the final 2 minutes- that's how you win close games. Wallace couldn't throw it in the ocean tonight- McDyess was their whole offense in the 4th quarter.

Once again Sessions does a nice job defending and playing the point. The kid is having a great run, and I hope that I eat my comments about him. And how about Malik Allen with 14 points? Great team effort tonight on both offense and defense.
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What is so cool about this team is that Allen doesnt see much time....but when he is asked to perform he steps up like he plays every day....That is good coaching is my book....Good for him for his 14 points...That was huge!!!!
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Elson played well tongiht, too. 4 blocks and a key steal late.
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Gotta give it up to the boys. clap1
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Hammonds has some tough decisions to make. I'm glad they are playing well.
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As a non basketball fan I must say it is very impressive that the Bucks refuse to roll over enlight of their recent rash of injuries. Kudos Coach Skiles.
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And then they lay a big fat egg against the Bulls... this team is F-O-D. Full Of Disappointment...
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A game where they really missed Bogut ... they'd won this one going away.
Bulls were toast when someone can actually post and score, Miller might change some of that.
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Lambeausouth probably even likes them. They could play 3 Lebrons, and a couple of Kobes and still only lose by 6.
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Villanueva asked him politely, what he should do with his throat
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Another big game for Sessions. Remind me again why he isn't our PG of the future? Is the feeling that he is more SG material? I know he's a bit undersized and might get eaten up by some bigger guards, but the kid is pretty impressive. Why is it our first round choices are no good and our second rounders seem to have more potiential?
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Another big game for Sessions. Remind me again why he isn't our PG of the future? Is the feeling that he is more SG material? I know he's a bit undersized and might get eaten up by some bigger guards, but the kid is pretty impressive. Why is it our first round choices are no good and our second rounders seem to have more potiential?

Sessions is not a "build around this guy" player. He's a servicable combo G and plays some D- but its dangerous to start throwing money at this guy. It's Mo Williams all over again. You look to make him your "X of the future" and you're running the risk of doing what Larry Harris did- overvalue his own players and overpay them because you think they'll get better.

The question you have to ask is thi: does Sessions have a skill set that cannot be replaced by any number of players that would be considered journeymen? Is he Tony Parker, or Antonio Daniels? I don't think it's clear cut at this point which guy Sessions is. His poor play against Chicago and again on FRI against CLE really hurt this team. He played well against the Nuggets, but that team has logged over 8000 miles in travel this month. The halftime score said everything.

If Sessions asks for Charlie Bell money? Sure- sign him. If he asks for Mo Williams money, you let him go.
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It's an interesting debate of whom the Bucks should keep.. Sessions or Villenueva, assuming that of course they can only keep one due to the Senator's probable unwillingness to exceed the luxury cap threshold.

Both players are young and dynamic. I really would have rather they were able to dump Ridnour at the deadline for an expiring. It would have allowed them to play Ramon more, while freeing up 5M more to help keep these guys. Hell, the way it stands now.. it is conceivable that they could lose out on both guys. But I think that is unlikely.


The Redd/Gadzuric/Jefferson albatross is in play for another 2 years still after this season. ack.
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Mo Williams was a shoot, shoot, shoot pass guy. Sessions passes 10 x's more than Mo.
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Another big game for Sessions. Remind me again why he isn't our PG of the future? Is the feeling that he is more SG material? I know he's a bit undersized and might get eaten up by some bigger guards, but the kid is pretty impressive. Why is it our first round choices are no good and our second rounders seem to have more potiential?

Sessions is not a "build around this guy" player. He's a servicable combo G and plays some D- but its dangerous to start throwing money at this guy. It's Mo Williams all over again. You look to make him your "X of the future" and you're running the risk of doing what Larry Harris did- overvalue his own players and overpay them because you think they'll get better.

The question you have to ask is thi: does Sessions have a skill set that cannot be replaced by any number of players that would be considered journeymen? Is he Tony Parker, or Antonio Daniels? I don't think it's clear cut at this point which guy Sessions is. His poor play against Chicago and again on FRI against CLE really hurt this team. He played well against the Nuggets, but that team has logged over 8000 miles in travel this month. The halftime score said everything.

If Sessions asks for Charlie Bell money? Sure- sign him. If he asks for Mo Williams money, you let him go.


I understand the temptation to sign our own players thinking they are going to turn into stars, as was the case with Redd. After all if our own players don't become great, we will not have any great players. When was the last time a top level guy signed on with the Bucks? Keep letting good players go.....who are you getting to replace them?
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I understand the temptation to sign our own players thinking they are going to turn into stars, as was the case with Redd. After all if our own players don't become great, we will not have any great players. When was the last time a top level guy signed on with the Bucks? Keep letting good players go.....who are you getting to replace them?

My assertion is that you cannot overvalue guys like Sessions. Numbers don't equate to much if you're not winning. Mo Williams is a great example- on the Bucks, he puts up numbers and gets paid. Then he goes to Cleveland and plays with LeBron and is an All Star? Sessions and Mo have a lot in common IMO. They are both productive players. But the Bucks greatest danger is over4valuing these guys and getting in the mess they're in right now- strapped against the cap with a losing team.

Look at Rajon Rondo- should a team offer a mega deal because he's playing well for a Championship team? Not if you're smart, you don't. From a business standpoint, the Bucks have to be careful about situations like this. If he wants too much, he must be let go.
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I understand the temptation to sign our own players thinking they are going to turn into stars, as was the case with Redd. After all if our own players don't become great, we will not have any great players. When was the last time a top level guy signed on with the Bucks? Keep letting good players go.....who are you getting to replace them?

My assertion is that you cannot overvalue guys like Sessions. Numbers don't equate to much if you're not winning. Mo Williams is a great example- on the Bucks, he puts up numbers and gets paid. Then he goes to Cleveland and plays with LeBron and is an All Star? Sessions and Mo have a lot in common IMO. They are both productive players. But the Bucks greatest danger is over4valuing these guys and getting in the mess they're in right now- strapped against the cap with a losing team.

Look at Rajon Rondo- should a team offer a mega deal because he's playing well for a Championship team? Not if you're smart, you don't. From a business standpoint, the Bucks have to be careful about situations like this. If he wants too much, he must be let go.


I think the Bucks HAVE to over pay to keep guys. The key is to pick the right guys to keep. That is what the problem has been. If...and that is a big IF Sessions is the guy you want to see at PG for the next 5 years, go ahead and Over pay if you have to. But you better be right. Early on I thought he was going to be much much better than predicted (which isn't saying much) but I haven't seen enough of him lately to try and make that call.

My real point is....Milwaukee is Milwaukee. There is no compelling reason for a good player to come to Milwaukee other than $$$. When a player has choices, teams that are in Big Markets or are located in better climates are going to get choosen over Milwaukee everytime, all other things being equal. That is why I say that Milwaukee HAS to over-pay. They just have to pick the right guys.
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There is no compelling reason for a good player to come to Milwaukee other than $$$.

There is one out- and it's what the Packers used... win. Hell, even the Brewers land a pretty big player like Hoffman because they're winning.

A guy like Sessions is not a core player IMO. Not a guy you build around. If he wants to go play for Memphis for a couple million more, let him. You offer him a decent 2-3 year deal, maybe $10-12M, and see if he stays. If he wants a a 4-5 year deal and $30-40M, he walks.
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Going back to the title of the thread.... did anyone guess we'd still be in the 8th spot at this point, after losing our two top players plus Luke Ridnour?
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Helluva comeback tonight falls short. They really miss Bogut... Chandler doens't sniff that rebound if Bogut is out there.
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Sessions and Mo have a lot in common IMO. They are both productive players. But the Bucks greatest danger is over4valuing these guys and getting in the mess they're in right now- strapped against the cap with a losing team.


They have practically nothing in common

Mo was a shoot first do everything else second kind of guy. He didn't rebound, didn't pass the ball very much, and he certainly didn't play defense despite getting that reputation when he arrived in Cleveland ROFL2

Sessions reminds me a little bit of Chauncey Billups- same body type, maybe takes less shots, but is a pretty solid overall player. He is extremely unselfish and that's something you could never say about Mo Williams

I'm not saying you break the bank for the guy but he's deserving of a shot as the starting PG for this team
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Sessions and Mo have a lot in common IMO. They are both productive players. But the Bucks greatest danger is over4valuing these guys and getting in the mess they're in right now- strapped against the cap with a losing team.


They have practically nothing in common

Mo was a shoot first do everything else second kind of guy. He didn't rebound, didn't pass the ball very much, and he certainly didn't play defense despite getting that reputation when he arrived in Cleveland ROFL2

Sessions reminds me a little bit of Chauncey Billups- same body type, maybe takes less shots, but is a pretty solid overall player. He is extremely unselfish and that's something you could never say about Mo Williams

I'm not saying you break the bank for the guy but he's deserving of a shot as the starting PG for this team


In my opinion they should go the extra mile here to try to sign Sessions. Not many times does Milwaukee have a chance to have a young guy exceed expectations and develop into a real player and I think we are seeing that now with Sessions. Redd is the last one that comes to mind. I would rather see him in a Bucks uniform than someone else's and showing up in an all-star game a few years in the future.
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Yeah, the max contract Larry Harris gave Redd obviously worked out so well, as he was the Savior of this franchise....

I'd rather overpay for a proven talent than overpay for a young, unproven guy. If you can sign Sessions for 3 years at $10-$12M, like Music City said, that would be worth it though.
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