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The Bucks are in a position to do this. The Heat need a PG, and it may be that with them wanting Mo last year, they would be willing to deal for him.

The price? Mo, Villenueva, and Gadz for Marion (with a long term deal signed). Marion wants that long term deal, and the just drafted Beasley to play the same position, so there's no room for both of them.

The Bucks rid themselves of Gadzuric, the Heat get their PG, and CV gets a year to prove that he can replace Haslem in 2 years when his contract is up (he will be 30 when that happens, and he is already showing signs of losing his athleticism- CV is signed through this year with a qualifying offer the following year).

In review:

The Heat get:
Mo Williams- 4 years, $45 MIL remaining with a player option in 201213 for $8.5 MIL
Charlie Villanueva- 1 year, $3.44 MIL, qualifying offer in 2009/10 for $4.6 MIL
Dan Gazuric- 3 years, $21 MIL remaining

The Bucks get:
Shawn Marion- agrees to a 4 year, $75 MIL contract extension

The money just about matches up, the Bucks are rid of the dead weight, they have one of the more athletic set of Fs in the NBA, and they are one step closer to rebuilding this team.

Now I know what you're thinking- they would have $45 MIL invested in Redd, Jefferson, and Marion- but that's what you have to do in the NBA. The Celtics have $60 MIL invested in Allen/KG/Pierce, the Spurs have over $40 MIL invested in 2008/09 in their Big 3.

You can also say that the Bucks are going to have a heavy investment in 3 SG/SF types, and you might be right. But all three of them can play multiple positions, Jefferson is a quality defender, and Marion is one of the best defenders in the NBA. This team would be playing an up-tempo sytle that would also have solid defenive components. And through it all, you still have a 23/24 year old Andrew Bogut getting better on both ends of the floor. Plus you have a young, athletic player in Alexander learning under this system, as well.

Andrew Bogut will be under team control through 2009/10, when Jefferson will only have one year remaining on his deal. The Bucks would still be able to make some moves. Perhaps you deal Jefferson and give Bogut the raise, move Alexander into the starting lineup, and keep rolling with Redd, Bogut, and Marion as your Big 3.

I don't know if Miami wants Mo bad enough to make this deal. They would be taking on a couple of pretty rotten contracts, but they wanted Mo last year- maybe they would be willing to make it happen. I don't know who else would have something that the Heat would want.
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Who is your PG then?
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Skiles will be defensive minded, I could see Bell or Sessions getting the nod as long as they do what Skiles wants ... defend the 1 position and distribute the ball to the right spots on the floor.

*Note - MC, I like your idea but its such a dream that I can't fathom it but then again R.Jefferson is here now. Smiler
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Riley certainly likes Mo and he has no point guard (Williams is a FA). But he costs more than the MLE (which is what Miami offered him last year).

I do think the two teams will talk but I believe Hammond will target Haslem. He averages 12/9 and doesn't need to shoot much. Salaries are pretty close and Haslem has just two years left on his deal, saving us a ton of cash down the road.

A lot depends on whether Hammond/Skiles think Sessions is the real deal. He was fantastic in April but those games didn't mean anything.

I'd love to have Marion though.
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Those games didnt mean anything, but were still against NBA competition.

No matter how it is said.. he did it against NBA guys. Not college.


to break the Bucks assist record in his first handful of games here in Milw... is really amazing.
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Problem with Marion is a) his salary and b) he's a small forward. Makes no sense with the RJ trade.
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Who is your PG then?

I think you have bell and Sessions who can both play the position. it's not ideal, and it is putting a lot of eggs in Sessions' basket (which is certainly dangerous), but there's just nothing the Bucks can do about it. Mo has to go, and they aren't going to get an elite PG in return for him.

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Problem with Marion is a) his salary and b) he's a small forward. Makes no sense with the RJ trade.

Marion has played PF before. Granted, he would be a bit out of position, but he has shown he can handle those tougher defensive assignments before. There are few (if any) better athletes in the NBA, so Marion would be able to handle it, but to an extent. He would certainly struggle against the very top echelon of NBA PFs (Duncan, KG, maybe Nowitzki, etc.). Still, I think you can still make this move. 2 of those guys are in the WC, and this kind of team construction would be really taking advantage of athleticism, which IMO the EC lacks and can be taken advantage of. The Bucks could run-run-run with a lineup like that, and thought it may be gimmicky, it could get them back on the map as a team in the conference.

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I do think the two teams will talk but I believe Hammond will target Haslem. He averages 12/9 and doesn't need to shoot much. Salaries are pretty close and Haslem has just two years left on his deal, saving us a ton of cash down the road.

I thought about this, as well. But I didn't think the Heat would make a deal like this because it would leave them thin at the position, and Haslem isn't expensive. This would work if they do decide to retain Marion, though. I just don't believe that the Heat will retain Marion (he wants a lot of money and they just drafted Beasley), and since the Bucks have something the Heat have already shown interest in, it might be a fit.
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What about a David Lee for CV swap.

Lee is definitely a better energy player, but CV would fit into D'Antoni's system in a Diaw kind of fashion. Taller/more atheletic/can shoot 3.


CVs numbers per 48 minutes are better than Lee.... but Lee again bring more energy.


Plus it goes a long way to having an all white lineup at some point in a game this year....you think a no hitter loss is rare... wait for that.
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That would be fine with me- lee plays PF. CV plays shooting F at 6'10". No thanks...
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